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Is this Martha with her married daughter and family in 1861...?


JONES, Samuel Head Married M 58 1803 Joiner
Ellesmere
Shropshire VIEW
JONES, Mary Wife Married F 53 1808
Breesa
Shropshire VIEW
JONES, Mary J Daughter F 1 1860 On image she is age 11...
Ellesmere
Shropshire VIEW
MILLINGTON, Martha Mother In Law Widow F 83 1778 Shoemakers Widow
Ellesmere
Shropshire VIEW

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Address:
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Shropshire



Nicky

possible??...but with moore being quite a common name its a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack...

William Moore
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Apr 1833
Baptism/Christening Place: WELLINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Moore
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03752-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 503540
Reference Number:

As for getting the death certs of martha and william, if you have their addresses from the 1861 census, with a bit of luck that might be place of death on the cert. which would confirm that they are the correct people....the informant on a death cert. can also be useful as well, as its often a relative....



Nicky

nudge

Hello Nickydownsouth

thank you for your help I think you are right I have looked for her death William and Martha ( Millington) where on the 1861 census I could not find them after this so looked in deaths I found a William Millington died 1stQ 1871 age 81 Dudley Staffs born abt 1790 I then found a Martha Millington 2ndQ 1866 Dudley Staffs age 83 so that would make her birth 1783/4 which would be the one you gave me I'm not sure if I get the certificates if they would help if they are the correct people
Also if you can help me again :-) On the 1851 census There's a William Moor 18 b abt 1833 in Wellington Shropshire as Grandson??
Then on the 1861 he is listed as a lodger and his name spelt with the (E)Moore but I cannot find his birth if I could it may give me a son of Martha from her 1st marriage??

Mary

I just thought the Martha Collins born Wednesbury details that I posted were quite a strong possibility of being "your" Martha.


Your martha was born Wednesbury and married someone Moore, the Martha I posted was born same place and married a william Moore by the looks of it.

The 5 Baptisms with parents William and Martha Moore I posted were at the same church as that marriage and fit in perfectly with the Marriage date of William Moor and Martha Collins.



Just didn`t want you discounting it because the age was slightly out.



Nicky

Keep this in mind for the 1841 census -

Note:
In the 1841 Census a policy of rounding down ages was in place. As such, people aged:

•15-19 were recorded as 15
•20-24 were recorded as 20
•25-29 were recorded as 25
•30-34 were recorded as 30
•35-39 were recorded as 35

Nickydownsouth on the message you sent earlier you said she may have said she was younger so I looked at the census again and they all say different 1841 b abt 1796 1851 b abt 1791 then on the 1861 b abt 1790 so 1784 is not to far away

Mary

Hello,Nickydownsouth

If that was her husband he would have been a lot older than she was when he died in 1818 she would have been about 24? still I suppose it is possible

Mary

could this be the burial of Marthas husband??

County Staffordshire
Place Bilston
Church St Leonards
RegisterNumber 11446
BurialDate 15 Mar 1818
Forename William
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname MOORE
Age 65
Abode Bilston
Notes Recorded by W LEIGH
FileNumber 24007



Nicky

????????

County Staffordshire
Place Wednesbury
Church St Bartholemews
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 09 Mar 1784
Forename Martha
Sex F
FatherForename John
MotherForename Ann
FatherSurname COLLINS
MotherSurname COLLINS
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 23656

I know this would make Martha a bit older than you thought were this proven to be her, but it was common for women to say they were younger than they actually were if their husbands were younger.. so she may have "dropped" a few years when she married William Millington.



Nicky

What about this one? Moor is spelt the same with no E...


Name: William Moor
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Martha Collins
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 10 Nov 1807
Marriage Place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01653-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1040898
Reference Number: it 2, p 328, cn 382




Nicky

wondering about these childrends Baptisms...they are all children of william and martha Moore...


Baptisms 14 Aug 1808 MOORE Mary Anne Staffordshire Bilston
Baptisms 28 Jul 1811 MOORE Catherine Staffordshire Bilston
Baptisms 08 Mar 1812 MOORE Sarah Staffordshire Bilston
Baptisms 27 Mar 1814 MOORE Maria Staffordshire Bilston
Baptisms 01 Sep 1816 MOORE Martha Staffordshire Bilston



Nicky

It sounds llike it maybe her although on the 1861 Census she was born in Wednesbury but WM was also from Sedgley so could be a family link??

the only children I have are on the 1841 census the youngest born about 1833 so that would not help find her maiden name

Mary

there is a marriage in January 1817 at Sedgeley Staffs of a Martha Gallop to a William Moor, but it does say marital status both married !

There are two trees on A****y but neither have a first marriage for her :-(

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Groom's Name: William Moor
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Martha Gallop
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1817
Marriage Place: Sedgley, Stafford, England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Married
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Married
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13532-3
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1040791

At the moment I only have 1 child Joseph Millington but he was born in 1829
I will see if I can find anymore children after 1837 as you suggest
Thank you
Mary

For reference..

1841..

MILLINGTON, William M 50 1791 Staffordshire VIEW
MILLINGTON, Martha F 45 1796 Staffordshire VIEW
TOWNSEND, Ann F 20 1821 Staffordshire VIEW
TOWNSEND, Mary Anne F 2 1839 Staffordshire VIEW

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Piece:
998 Book/Folio:
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1 Registration District:
Dudley

Civil Parish:
Sedgley Municipal Borough:
Wolverhampton Address:
Highfield P B, Sedgley, Wolverhampton County:
Staffordshire




Nicky

Did she have any children born after July 1st 1837? if so her maiden name should be on their birth certificates...


Nicky

Hello,

I have found the marriage of William Millington b 1791 and Martha Moore b1794 The marriage was in 1819 at St Peters Wolverhampton Staffs it gives Martha as a widow in 1819 she would have been about 23 although her birth varies on the 3 census I have found her on
I cannot find another marriage for her, anyone any ideas how to find her.
I've been looking for Martha Moore but it now seems that would be her 1st married name not her maiden name

Mary