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Just in case:
I think this is Emily in 1911:
1911 census transcription details for: Elsie Villa Belle Vue Avenue Southend on Sea
RG14PN10162 RG78PN533B RD195 SD2 ED50 SN279

Reg. District: Rochford Sub District: Prittlewell
GREGORY, Joseph Edward Head Married
30 years M 50 1861 Secretary Friendly Secretary Kent Plumstead
GREGORY, Mary E Wife Married F 52 1859 Leciestershire Leicester
GREGORY, Harry George Son Single M 13 1898 School London Camberwell
SCAREN, Emily A M Servant Single F 18 1893 Domestic Servant Essex Southend


Maureen

If by chance it is the right family, there is a tree on Ancestry which gives William J, Emily and Ellen with parents..and William Search's father at least..only had a quick look.

The Ellen and Emily living in Oxfordshire were born there, so not connected

jax

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
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Search Ellen Witney 3a 930

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Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
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Search Emily Witney 3a 907

Most families had children from when they first married until they got to the age where it was not possable anymore, My gran had siblings 20+ years older than her being the youngest of the family

jax

You're very welcome Jillian - if you get any further info and we can help then just let us know.

I'm not sure why you'd discount it because of the older children? from the 1911 it would appear that the eldest son stayed in Rochford but the girls were in Oxfordshire, ie that the family was split up after the death of the mother?

I did try the Mundia link but it wouldn't even let me sign up. Will try again tomorrow if I get the chance.

Thanks for all the help gang.

xJ

Thank you Rose. I have seen this family and discounted it because of the ages of the children already in the family; I hope to prove myself right or wrong.

Sorry to confuse you Rose. It was the 1911 that had two of the three children with the surname Learch and I was including that which is why I put the Freebmd stuff in there.

Marie, thank you. The date makes sense if they took it from her age at death. I do believe that this Alice Search did become Alice Grant.

xJ

Jillian - don't forget that Mundia link I put above if you can't access Ancestry.

It's quite useful to compare other people in your tree if you find matches.

Births Mar 1898 (>99%)


SEARCH Ellen Violet Rochford 4a 607


Surname First name(s) Mother/Spouse/Age District Vol Page


Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)
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Search Ellen V Crowfoot Rochford 4a 1506

on the 1911 Emily and Ellen are in Witney Oxfordshire (possibly, I can't view images)

I thought that marriage Jax...

If that is Annie as the mother, it looks possible William may have remarried 1915, so (as there is no death for him before that) it would be worth checking in 1911

I hear what you say Tracey but I live in hope. My friend and I just began doing her tree yesterday. Maybe in the future but the expense of even one cert isn't an option right now. I have the GR Platinum but don't subscribe to any other sites but here so I have no idea if extra info is available elsewhere which is why I asked. If we can't find the parents via the internet so be it. We are doing her tree for fun only, same as I do mine. We've been through the mill together so not being able to find any further back for now isn't important in the scheme of things. Take care.J

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Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)
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HARKNETT Annie Rochford 4a 517
Search William Rochford 4a 517

really just a possible unless you can confirm with the birth cert

1901 England Census
about Annie Search Name: Annie Search
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Search
Gender: Female
Where born: Prittlewell, Essex, England

Civil parish: Prittlewell
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Prittlewell
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 300
Piece: 1678
Folio: 133
Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
William Search 31
Annie Search 30
William J Search 9
Emily A Search 8
Ellen V Search 3

or maybe find these on 1911 to eliminate

Hi it was confusing because you have put the surname in the post as "Learch"... for those births the name is 'Search'

there is this one death which could be the mother

Deaths Sep 1909 (>99%)


SEARCH Annie 42 Rochford 4a 292

Thanks for this. I'm going to assume that the person on Ancestry has the wrong Grace or wrong dob as my Grace had her birth registered Mar 1902.

Going to try to take a look at Ancestry now.

Thanks.

Jill

Sadly, even if we speculated on their parents, you will still need to get the certs to prove it.

So really, altho we could do some legwork now, it's easier and less time consuming if you got the certs first! (one will do!)


Tracey x

There's a tree on Ancestry has Alice Grace's birth as 8 Jan 1900 but I can't see her on 1901 census.

If you're not a member of Ancestry then you can search and view public Ancestry trees, and contact the tree owners, on Mundia (an Ancestry spin-off). They don't have any parents listed.
http://www.mundia.com/gb/

They probably took the birth date from this:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Alice Grace Grant
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1900
Date of Registration: Jan 1987
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Southend On Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 3105

The birth dates on death records aren't totally reliable.

(The record ties in with a marriage listed on that tree).

Tried putting 'Search' into the seach field and pages went haywire constantly flicking over saying results shortly. So apologies if there is a possible thread from someone on this but I can't get it.

On behalf of a friend I'm looking to go back further than the siblings I have on the 1911 living in a home for poor children.

The census has them as Alice b 1901, George Learch 1904 and Lily Learch 1906

They are actually

Alice Grace Births Mar 1902 Rochford 4a 716
George Alfred Births Mar 1904 Rochford 4a 744
Lilian Maud Births Dec 1905 Rochford 4a 698

Because they fall between the 1901 and 1911 I haven't been able to find their parents. I can speculate as to why they were in a home and could guess that one or both parents were deceased.

I have run out of ideas.Not on trees here. I've looked at everything I can think of but I'm wondering if there might be more on eg FMP.

I'd be grateful if anyone can come up with anything that might allow me to find the kids parents before the expense of a birth cert.

Many thanks,

Jill