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Thanks Dea & Ann

My goodness what helpful members, and spot on with the research !!

I'm so grateful...


Marilyn xx

:-D :-D

I would guess from this baptism and Mary's age on all the census that that marriage should be age 52 (easily mis-transcribed if badly written)

Baptisms: 2 Apr 1796 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
Mary Alker - Daughter of James Alker & Ellen
Abode: Worthington
Baptised by: Joseph Taylor, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1772 - 1812, Page 111, Entry 7
Source: LDS Film 1526140

to continue on the Mary Rothwell side

It looks like Ellen was illegitimate. Mary did not marry until Ellen was 14/15 years old and no father was named on Ellen's marriage

Baptisms: 25 Mar 1832 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellen Alker - Daur. of Mary Alker
Born: 18 Feb
Abode: Haigh
Baptised by: J. Paley
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 157, Entry 1250
Source: LDS Film 1885678


Marriage: 2 Feb 1847 St David, Haigh, Lancashire, England
William Rothwell - 59 Farmer Widower of Aspull
Mary Alker - 57 Spinster of Haigh
Groom's Father: James Rothwell, Farmer
Bride's Father: James Alker, Labourer
Witness: Js. Hart; Thos. Barton
Married by: J. T. Browne Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1860, Page 124, Entry 248
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Siblings?

Baptisms: 14 Jun 1835 St Luke, Crosby, Lancashire, England
Joseph Clark - Son of William Clark & Mary
Abode: Great Crosby
Occupation: Gardener
Baptised by: J Hodgson Minister
Register: Baptisms 1826 - 1869 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 21, Entry 305
Source: LDS Film 1468974

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Also:
Baptisms: 3 Jun 1821 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
John Clark - Son of William Clark & Mary
Born: 4 May
Abode: Kirkdale
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: T. Moss Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 61, Entry 485
Source: LDS Film 1647560


Got him???..........

1841:

CLARKE, William M 40 1801 Lancashire ......... Gardener !
CLARKE, Mary F 40 1801 Lancashire
CLARKE, Mary F 12 1829 Lancashire
CLARKE, Joseph M 6 1835 Lancashire



Piece:
518 Book/Folio:
2/51 Page:
16 Registration District:
Derby, West

Civil Parish:
Sephton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Islington, Sephton, Crosby, Great County:
Lancashire


Dea x

Thank you Dea,

Yes I did see he had married twice as his first wife Joanna Clark died in1861.

Now I was a bit confused as to the( Rothwell) saga as I did see Ellens mother living with them but could'nt find a Rothwell & Clark marriage !!

So you have sorted that one out ...Well Done and I thank you for that .

And the Joseph as a Witness in the marriage will guide me to Williams parents William & Mary in the 1841 census hopefully .......

Thank you so much , very Grateful to you all.

Marilyn x.....

You are in luck - This is Williams 2nd marriage from Lancs OPC:

Marriage: 1 Jul 1863 St David, Haigh, Lancashire, England
William Clark - of full age Registrar and Schoolmaster Widower of Aspull
Ellen Alker - of full age Spinster of New Springs Aspull
Groom's Father: William Clark, Gardener
Witness: Joseph Clark; Lucy Gostelow
Married by Licence by: John Aldworth Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1861 - 1875, Page 34, Entry 68
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

I am sure it is the correct one as they have mother-in-law Mary Rothwell with them on 1881 census.

I followed her back to 1861 where she was living with her daughter Ellen Alker.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1863
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

CLARK William ALKER Ellen St. David, Haigh Wigan & Leigh C14/2/68

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1861 England Census
about Mary Rothwell Name: Mary Rothwell
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Worthington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Aspull
Ecclesiastical parish: Haigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Aspull
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 2770
Folio: 4
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Rothwell 65 Owner of cottages
Ellen Alker 29 daughter, unmarried. dressmaker

at Wigan Road.
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2770; Folio: 4; Page: 1; GSU roll: 543026.

Dea x

Thanks Ann.

What a clever Gal !!

I have sent you a PM....


Marilyn x

how about this baptism right year and place

Baptism: 23 Mar 1823 St Mary, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
William Clark - Son of William Clark & Mary
Born: 9 Mar
Abode: Kirkdale
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: T. Moss Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1835, Page 77, Entry 611
Source: LDS Film 1647560

as the churches in Kirkdale were not established this early the ancestors I have looked at who lived in Kirkdale seemed to have used St Mary's

Yep Thats the marriage Mike.

I wrongly stated Joanna Eccleshall instead of Gregory as Eccleshall is here Joanna was born ..LOL silly me .


As I said I will now have to get this marriage

Thank you again..

Marilyn ...

Is this william and Joanna's marriage ?
If so the certificate should tell you the father's name.

Marriages Jun 1847 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ardron Robert Sheffield 22 487
Beech Eliza Sheffield 22 487
************CLARK William - Sheffield 22 487
Cuckson William Sheffield 22 487
Cupit Mary Sheffield 22 487
GILLOTT Elizabeth Sheffield 22 487
************Gregory Joanna - Sheffield 22 487
MELLOR John Sheffield 22 487

THANKS for your input .....Marie & Mike,

I'll have to get the marriage certificate of William & Joanna to enable me to proceed.

Marilyn ....

The only Julia Mary born in right area of Kent is this one

Births Sep 1858 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Saywell Julia Mary - Milton 2a 529

Hi .

No siblings that I know of.... I have all the follow up on his children etc...to upto date.

He first appears in the 1851 census with his wife Joanna Eccleshall married 1847
Sheffield.

William Clark b 1823 Kirkdale Joanna b 1827 Eccleshall Yorkshire

Ellen is his second wife ...

Joanna died1861.


Marilyn .....

Is this not him ?

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Household: 1881

William CLARK Head M Male 58 Kirkdale, Lancashire, England Registrar Of Births & Deaths
Ellen CLARK Wife M Female 49 Haigh, Lancashire, England Registrar Of Births & Deaths's Wife
Julia Mary CLARK Daur U Female 27 Milstead, Kent, England Registrar Of Births & Death's Daur
John Edw CLARK Son U Male 21 Aspull, Lancashire, England Deputy Registrar Book Keeper Cotton Mill (Clerk)
James Webster CLARK Son U Male 16 Aspull, Lancashire, England Assistant Registrar
Mary CLARK Daur U Female 14 Aspull, Lancashire, England Pupil Teacher In A School
Ellen Rothwell CLARK Daur Female 12 Aspull, Lancashire, England Scholar
Herbert George CLARK Son Male 10 Aspull, Lancashire, England Scholar
Edith Eveline CLARK Daur Female 7 Aspull, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary ROTHWELL Mother In Law W Female 85 Worthington, Lancashire, England Formerly Farmer's Wife


Dwelling Holly House
Census Place Aspull, Lancashire, England

Kirkdale is Liverpool area so maybe this one.

Baptisms: 10 Aug 1823 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Clark - Child of James Clark & Christian
Abode: Lawton Street
Occupation: Plasterer
Baptised by: P. Bulmer Curate



What other info have you got about him ?

Who did he marry?
Did he have brothers and sisters ?
etc etc

Hi Marie,

Dont know his parents name....even though I mentioned 1841 census ....I did find a William in Lancashire ,but its only a guess that his father could be a William .but there are so many of them in the 1841 ..LOL

1851 & 1861 he's with his wife Joanna .....& their brood and states Kirkdale every time.


Marilyn ...

Hi Marilyn - what are his parents names (if you know them).

Does any one have access to these records ?

I am looking for a Baptism for a William Clark B Abt 1823 Kirkdale..as in 1841.

From the 1841 census up, the family name Clark has always been without the ( E )

Trouble is there are so many William Clark/e about the same age on Family Search in Lancashire....mind boggles !! .

Would love to have his parents.

Any help would be gratefully received....

Marilyn ....