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The problem with this is that it states Mary was born in Wales!


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England Census
about Mary Williams Name: Mary Williams
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Hugh Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Wales

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Williams 28 (Sailor) Wales
Mary Williams 29
Jane Williams 1 Liverpool Lancashire

1871 England Census
about Mary Williams Name: Mary Williams
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Tranmere
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Williams 38 (Married) Mariners Wife
Mary Williams 5
John Williams 2

The 1881 for this family looks promising.

Mary is "Married" and a...........i can't quite make out exactly what it reads......

Marine Engine........ Wife

1881 England Census
about Agnes M. Williams Name: Agnes M. Williams
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Tranmere, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Tranmere
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Russell Place
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Williams 47
Mary Williams 15 Liverpool Lancashire
John Williams 12
Agnes M. Williams 8
Elizabeth Williams 7

Could this be a possibility??

Its all i can come up with!

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Williams Name: Elizabeth Williams
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Tranmere
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2891
Folio: 119
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Williams 57 (Widow) Liverpool Lancashire
John Williams 21 Liverpool Lancashire
Agnes M Williams 18 Birkenhead Cheshire
Elizabeth Williams 16

You all have the right Renshaw family - thank you! The occupation of Hugh on the marriage cert. is Engineer, and the address where Elizabeth was living is 30 Leicester St. Birkenhead, her age was 19. The witnesses were Frederick Hough and Margaret Renshaw.

Joyce

This is a slim possibility:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Elizabeth Williams
Birth Date: abt 1876
Baptism Date: 12 Nov 1876
Parish: Liverpool St Thomas
Father's Name: Hugh Williams < Digger or Rigger
Mother's name: Ellen Williams
Address: 158 Wolfe Street.

Oh what a mix-up!

Not to worry, It seems we are continuing on here!!

Is this them in 1901 Joyce ?


1901 England Census
about Alfred Renshaw Name: Alfred Renshaw
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Renshaw
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 119a
Piece: 3389
Folio: 94
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Renshaw 27 Building Contractor and Carpenter
Elizabeth Renshaw 26
Alfred Renshaw 6
Samuel Renshaw 4
Albert Renshaw 2


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3389; Folio: 94; Page: 20.

Dea x

Joyce, although Hugh was deceased on the marriage certificate did it mention an occupation?

Was there an address on the certificate for Elizabeth?

Who were the witnesses? (Might yield clues)

Here's the 1911 census again as background:

RENSHAW, Alfred John Head Married M 35 1876 Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, Elilzabeth Wife Marrid F 32 1879 Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, Alfred Son M 16 1895 Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, Samuel Son M 14 1897 School Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, Mary Daughter F 9 1902 School Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, James Son M 5 1906 School Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, William Son M 0 (6 WEEKS) 1911 Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, Albert Son M 12 1899 Birkenhead Cheshire
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Registration District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Birkenhead
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: Birkenhead

Address: 32 Lord St Birkenhead County: Cheshire

Married 17 year. Eight children born, 2 had died.

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and the 1901:

RENSHAW, Alfred Head Married M 27 1874 Building Contractors Carpenter Liverpool Lancashire
RENSHAW, Elizabeth Wife Married F 26 1875 Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW JR, Alfred Son Single M 6 1895 Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, Samuel Son Single M 4 1897 Birkenhead Cheshire
RENSHAW, Albert Son Single M 2 1899 Birkenhead Cheshire
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Registration District: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Address: 93, Brook Street, Birkenhead County: Cheshire

(Note variation in birth year for Elizabeth)

Oh dear, I meant the first post on THIS thread!!

Never mind, just go to the top and mark this as unanswered :-D

Joyce - I've copied your new request onto your previous thread for you - that's brought it up the board.

Now go to the first post on this thread and click delete.

For future reference, if you go to the "My Threads" link on the left hand side you can get to all threads that you've started or posted on.

Thanks so much for your kind words. I really will try harder, and thank you all again for your help. I do appreciate it.

No worries Joycine..........it is obvious you are a new member.

One of the reasons you asked to stick to the same thread is to avoid duplicate research.

So don't worry about it.......just go back to your original thread regarding this family.

Happy researching............ :-)

Joycine

If you delete this thread and then add to your first thread about this couple, that would be a good

When you add to your first thread, t will push it up the top of the 'Find Ancestors' board

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So sorry for my mistake in posting. New to Genes Reunited.

Well that was a waste of my time then

Joyce please stick to one thread about this family

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1291431

My grandparents Alfred John Renshaw and Elizabeth Williams were married in Birkenhead, Cheshire, Sept 1894, but I have hit a brick wall trying to find who Elizabeth's parents were - the name of the father on the cert. is Hugh Williams (deceased). Can some kind person give me a clue as to how to find her parents with such little information to work with?
Thanks,
Joyce