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Thank you everybody for all the info.

Guess this is a mystery I may never find the answer too unless I can find the correct marriage record for Emma and William, to confirm her fathers name.

The only concrete details I have are that my g-grandfathers was born in 1888 in Horninglow, Staffordshire to William and Emma Bridges nee Barton. I have now received a copy death cert for Emma. If it is correct she died in 1922 but unfortunately her birth date and birth place is not included. I believe this were included from 1969.

Again many thanks to all who replied. I will continue to look and hopefully get to the bottom of this mystery

Susan

Thank you everybody for all the info.

Guess this is a mystery I may never find the answer too unless I can find the correct marriage record for Emma and William, to confirm her fathers name.

The only concrete details I have are that my g-grandfathers was born in 1888 in Horninglow, Staffordshire to William and Emma Bridges nee Barton. I have now received a copy death cert for Emma. If it is correct she died in 1922 but unfortunately her birth date and birth place is not included. I believe this were included from 1969.

Again many thanks to all who replied. I will continue to look and hopefully get to the bottom of this mystery

Susan

The only marriage around the right time for Barton and William Bridges appears to be Margaret


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Marriages Jun 1881 ------------------------------------------------

BAKER George Tunbridge 2a 956
BARTON Margaret Tunbridge 2a 956
BRIDGES William Tunbridge 2a 956
NICHOLLS Ann Tunbridge 2a 956


OR
There's this one with 4 grooms and only 2 brides !


Marriages Dec 1880 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Blair James Sefton Shoreditch 1c 369
Blogg Charles Edwin Shoreditch 1c 369
Bridges William Shoreditch 1c 369
Morris William George Shoreditch 1c 369
Regan Catherine Shoreditch 1c 369
Wightman Rachel Emma Shoreditch 1c 369

Hi, thanks for all the info.

Emma's father is shown as an agricultural labourer on her birth cert, hardly a farmer unless he suddenly went up in the world.

Thomas born 1888 was my g grandfather so I am absolutely sure of his parentage. Emma nee Barton and William. Several more children were born apart from the missing George, twins Alice and Emma in 1902, Agnes 1903 and Caroline 1905 all in Stretton, Staffordshire. George was born in Horninglow, Staffordshire in Dec 1881 possibly around the time of Emma and Williams marriage. If I could find their mariage record I could at least confirm Emma's father as John Barton as the cert I have is purely guesswork and she may indeed have been born in Hampshire.

I am now left wondering if I have the right birth cert and her mother was indeed Rebecca.

Emma's children but eldest George is missing.
(perhaps born before parents married but can't see George Barton either )


Births Mar 1884
Bridges William Henry - Burton 6b 423


Births Jun 1888
BRIDGES Thomas - Burton 6b 428



Births Sep 1890
Bridges Ellen Grace - Burton 6b 376



Births Mar 1893
Bridges Arthur - Burton 6b 440


Births Dec 1894
Bridges Margaret Elizabeth - Burton 6b 439


Births Dec 1896
Bridges Mary Ann - Burton 6b 453


Births Dec 1899
Bridges Alfred - Burton 6b 411

No middle name

Births Mar 1840
Burton Rebecca - Ashby de la Zouch 15 12

(covers Hartshorn and Ticknall)

This is a possible 1841, but you now really need that 1859 marriage cert:

BURTON, James M 25 1816 < ag lab
BURTON, Sarah F 20 1821 Derbyshire
BURTON, Rebecca F 1 1840 Derbyshire
BLOOD, Emma F 20 1821 Derbyshire
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Registration District: Ashby de la Zouch
Civil Parish: Ticknall

Address: Ticknall, Ticknall County: Derbyshire

James born out of county, the rest in.

Susan - does the occupation for John (a farmer) on the census match up with the certificate?

Hi

Many Thanks for all your replies.

Mike is probably right and that the family moved which is why Emma must have been confused about her birth place.

Only one more problem - Copy birth cert I got for Emma born in Burnaston in December 1861 shows her mother as Hannah and not Rebecca. Could this be a variation of her name. May be a middle name !

Has anybody got any details of her mothers birth so I can check it out.

Thanks
Susan

I think that's the answer to how the confusion has arisen, Mike!

Brother George


Births Dec 1859 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BARTON George - Burton 6b *

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Marriages Jun 1859

***********Barton John - Burton 6b 405
************Burton Rebecca - Burton 6b 405
Goodwin Harriet Burton 6b 405
Orchard Henry Burton 6b 405


Looks like mother's maiden WAS Burton ...... but not Hannah.

Emma's family in 1881 ? ( now in Hampshire )


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John BARTON Head M Male 46 Repton, Derby, England Farmer 67 Acres Employing 1 Boy
Rebecca BARTON Wife M Female 43 Tickwell, Derby, England
George BARTON Son U Male 23 Repton, Derby, England (Al) (F Servt Indoor) ((Assisting On Farm)) ((...))
Alice BARTON Daur U Female 19 Dunstone, Derby, England Assisting Parent (Dom Servt)
Frank MEACHER Servant U Male 15 Wellow, Wiltshire, England Farm Servant (Indoor)

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Dwelling Fighting Cocks Farm
Census Place Eling, Hampshire, England

This one in 1871 is born Burnaston:

BARTON, Rebecca Wife F 32 1839 Derbyshire < Farmer 10 acres, b Hartshorn
BARTON, George Son M 12 1859 Derbyshire b Repton
BARTON, Emma Daughter F 10 1861 Derbyshire b Burnaston
BARTON, Alice Daughter F 6 1865 Derbyshire b Burnaston

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Registration District:Ashborne
Civil Parish: Hulland Ward

Address: Park Side Mansell Park, Hulland Ward County: Derbyshire

No mention of where Mr Barton is .....

Births Dec 1861
Barton Emma - Burton 6b 259

Burton covers Burnaston and Stretton

Susan, that is quite possible!

Especially if it's a large family they may have lost track a bit. Other thing is that if they weren't very literate they wouldn't be checking info on birth certificates (if the births were actually registered).

Hi

Yes, that the correct family.
Again in 1901 the census shows Emma was born in Ealing.
I am beginning to wonder if her parents moved and she really didn't know where she was born !!

Susan

1901:

BRIDGES, William Head Married M 42 1859 Waggoner On Farm Longford Derbyshire
BRIDGES, Emma Wife Married F 41 1860 Ealing Hampshire
BRIDGES, George Son Single M 19 1882 Stationary Boiler Stoker Horninglow Staffordshire
BRIDGES, William H Son Single M 17 1884 Yardman On Farm Horninglow Staffordshire
BRIDGES, Thomas Son Single M 13 1888 Boy On Farm Horninglow Staffordshire
BRIDGES, Ellen G Daughter F 11 1890 Horninglow Staffordshire
BRIDGES, Arthur Son M 8 1893 Stretton Staffordshire
BRIDGES, Margaret E Daughter F 6 1895 Stretton Staffordshire
BRIDGES, Mary A Daughter F 4 1897 Stretton Staffordshire
BRIDGES, Alfred Son M 1 1900 Stretton Staffordshire
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Registration District: Burton upon Trent
Civil Parish: Stretton

Address: 4, Bridge Street, Stretton County: Staffordshire

Is this the family in 1911, for reference?

BRIDGES, William Head Married M 50 1861 Farm Labourer Longford Derby
BRIDGES, Emma Wife Married 30 years F 49 1862 Burnaston Derby
BRIDGES, Alfred Son M 11 1900 School Stretton Burton on Trent
BRIDGES, Emma Daughter F 9 1902 School Stretton Burton on Trent
BRIDGES, Alice Daughter F 9 1902 School Stretton Burton on Trent
BRIDGES, Agnes Daughter F 7 1904 School Stretton Burton on Trent
BRIDGES, Caroline Daughter F 5 1906 School Stretton Burton on Trent
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Registration District: Tamworth
Sub District: Tamworth
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Wigginton

Address: Bridge Cottages Wigginton Tamworth County: Staffordshire

(13 children born, all still alive)

Hi, I am looking for some information about Emma Barton, she was married to William Bridges about 1881. I can't confirm Emma's birth place or parentage. I believe she was born about 1861 in either Romsey / Eling Hampshire or Burnaston, Derbyshire.

In 1881 she was living at Hoon Hay and working as a servant, at the same address was her husband to be William Bridges, her birth place is recorded as Burnaston.
The 1891 census shows a birth place of Romsey but in 1911 its again shown as Burnaston. (I can't trace the 1901 census) I feel that the Burnaston address is most probably correct but I cant be sure.( I did consider that perhaps William had remarried to another Emma but the 1911 census shows their marriage as lasting 30 years so ruled this out)

I have been unable to find a marriage record for Emma and William so can't confirm her fathers details but I do have a possible birth cert for Emma Burton born in Burnaston in 1861 to Hannah Barton nee BURTON and John Barton.

Have hit a "brickwall" in finding anything else. Can anybody help with any marriage or birth records or do you have this family in your tree?

Many Thanks
Susan