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I have been able to confirm rootgatherer's post of 10th February - thank you I now have info to go back on and forward.

Yes going to agree with you on the 1901

GB, I think the 1901 that rootgatherer has posted is correct. They moved back to Scotland.

Good spot for 1891 - Bruce on Ancestry

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about George Bruce
Name: George Bruce
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1957
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 412

1901 this one is married and occupation of cooper but in wrong location

Name: Peter Bruce
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Erith
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Bexley
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 290
Piece: 701
Folio: 80
Page Number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Cartwright 59
Mary A Cartwright 49
Charles W Cartwright 21
George A Cartwright 19
Susannah Cartwright 19
John F Cartwright 15
Louisa Cartwright 13
Mary A Cartwright 10
Mary Benfield 22
Peter Bruce 47
Fredric Rowell 46
Robert Greene 23

1891??

BRUER, James Head Married M 40 1851 Cooper
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BRUER, Margaret Wife Married F 30 1861
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BRUER, Wm Son M 7 1884 Scholar
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BRUER, Jno H Son M 6 1885
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BRUER, James P Son M 4 1887
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BRUER, George Son M 1 1890
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Piece:
642 Folio:
40 Page:
2 Registration District:
Dartford

Civil Parish:
Swanscombe Municipal Borough:
Address:
11, London Road, Swanscombe County:
Kent

No middle name given

Marriages Sep 1911 (>99%)
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Bruce George Gravesend 2a 1448
Funnell Frederick Gravesend 2a 1448
Marsh Alice A Gravesend 2a 1448
Watts Ellen E Gravesend 2a 1448

Thank you to everyone for your interest on my behalf. Firstly I apologise that I do not know my way around the site/exactly how I go about finding things out. I have only just started on what I can see can be pretty addictive. My grandfather George Victor Bruce I know was married in Gravesend in 1911. Family hearsay is that he died in 1957 (Gravesend) aged 68 so that would make his year of birth 1889. His father (again hearsay) is James Peter (or Peter James) Bruce born in Fraserburgh Aberdeen in 1862. The same source tells me that they moved to Charles Street, Grays, Essex in 1900 - James Peter, wife and children - John, William, George Margaret and Helen. That James Peter worked as a cooper journeyman at Seabrooks Brewery. That the mother of James Peter was Margaret Bruce who lived and died in Knock, Inverness. George Victor (my grandfather) was married in 1911 to Ellen E Watts; I believe she came from the London area but I have no other information about her other than she may have had a sister called Queenie. I obviously have a great deal to learn about how to track down the information that I need but I thank you in advance for the help that I have had and I will follow it up though it may take me sometime.

George Victor's birth certificate will give the date and place of his parents marriage.


Not seeing a birth registered for George Victor in the Aberdeenshire area in the timescale you are looking for.


Could George have been born earlier than you thought?

1901

Name: George Bruce
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James P Bruce
Mother's Name: Margareta Bruce
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Aberdeen, Peterhead
Registration number: 164
Registration district: Rathven
Civil parish: Rathven
Town: Buckie
County: Banffshire
Address: 21 Seatown
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 152
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_116327
Household Members: Name Age
James P Bruce 52 Cooper, b. Rathven, Banffshire
Margareta Bruce 40 b. Keith
John H Bruce 16
James P Bruce 14
George Bruce 11
Helen M A Bruce 8
Margaret M Bruce 5
Alexander Bruce 3

pm received:

"Sorry not sure where the year came from (could be just approximate) - only know the actual date i.e. 23rd April to be correct from when he lived with my family towards the end of his life."

(Have explained about returning and replying here).

You say they moved to Essex.........before or after the 1901 census?

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
[This is the old site]

Results for: All Counties, Scotland, British Isles
Father: William Bruce, Mother: Margaret Thomson
International Genealogical Index / British Isles
5. JANE ALLAN BRUCE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 08 NOV 1863 Lonmay, Aberdeen, Scotland

6. JAMES BRUCE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 AUG 1861 Fraserburgh, Aberdeen, Scotland

7. JAMES BRUCE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 AUG 1861 Lonmay, Aberdeen, Scotland


Results for: William Bruce, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Margaret Thomson
International Genealogical Index / British Isles
1. WILLIAM BRUCE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 17 DEC 1859 Lonmay, Aberdeen, Scotland
[All records extracted from GROS index - don't know why Jas is rego'ed twice
He was the only Jas or Peter Bruce b in Fraserburgh in 1862 +/-5]


I just had a look at 1851 on http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
There's 109 William Bruce's in Aberdeenshire or Banffshire.
(Part of Lonmay and the whole of St Fergus was in a detached bit of Banff until 1891.)
You'll need to see his pob on the 1861 or 1871 census to trace him back for free.
(Buying his m.rego would name both their parents - it costs just over a pound.)

Where did you get George Victor's birthdate from?

Could this be a member of the family?

name: Jemima Bruce
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 01 Nov 1881
birthplace: Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
father's name: James Peter Bruce
mother's name: Mary Ann Gray Mclennan
indexing project (batch) number: C01884-6
system origin: Scotland-EASy
source film number: 232635
reference number: v 232-1 p 148

If he married in Scotland then you need scotlandspeople which is not a subscription site

Or get one of the birth certs from scotlandspeople

Does anyone have information on James Peter (or Peter James) Bruce born in Fraserburgh Aberdeen in c1862 - specifically his wife's name. Also on the children of the marriage - John, William, Margaret, Helen and George Victor born 23rd April 1895 in Peterhead. They later moved to Grays in Essex. The mother of James Peter is believed to have lived and died in Knock, Inverness.