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Sorry I got Henry & Thomas muddled, but you've confirmed Thomas was John Thomas.

Is there any chance this could be him?

1871 England Census
Name: John Hope
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Plaistow St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: Industrial Schools St George Hanover Square Union

Occupation: Scholar

Broadway House is written at the top of the page.

Hi Ozibird, No John Thomas was born Sept 1855 in
Stratford London and he is down as Thomas in the
1861 Census.
James Henry Bowden Hope is down as Henry in the
1861 census.

Bob

"So now that is three of the 1861 family who are missing from
the 1871 census John Thomas, Jane Ann and Elizabeth Hope,
I wonder what happened to them."

By John Thomas, is that the Thomas born Derby on 1861?

This looks like Henry from 1861.
Births Mar 1852 Hope James Henry Bowden Derby 7b 363

Hi Ozibird, I see that you have supplied the census data for
1891 and 1901 of the Nelson family and that saves me a lot
of time on monday morning.
I will use this information to find out why Elizabeth is missing
from the 1901 census tomorrow as I'm closing down for the
night and will look again in the morning.
Thanks to you for your help as well
Bob

????Deaths Mar 1906 Nelson Elizabeth 44 Newcastle T. 10b 58

This was inevitable!

1911 England Census
Name: John Nelson
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Orton, Westmorland, England
Civil parish: Byker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 244 Grace St Byker N Cle

Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: Byker
Piece: 30673
Household Members: Name Age
John Nelson 53
Ellen Nelson 37
John Murice Nelson 12 (John M Collins in 1901?)
Anastasia Nelson 8
William Henry Nelson 5/12

Hi Christina, I think you've got her as I have the census report
for James Henry Bowden Hope in 1881 and missing from his
census is his son Joseph Henry Bowden Hope born in the
Dec. quarter of 1876 and of course he would be nephew to
any married brother or sister of James.
I will print out the data you've supplied so that I can get the correct
sheet, and will look for her in later census reports now I know
where to look for her.
Many thanks to all for your help, it is much appreciated.
Bob

1901 England Census
Name: John Nelson
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Orton, Westmorland, England
Civil parish: Byker
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 41 Union Rd

Occupation: Railway Porter

Condition as to marriage: (Looks like M for married, but I'm not sure.)

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
Piece: 4789
Folio: 112
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
John Nelson 42
Arthur G Nelson 12
Ellen Collins 26 - single; Housekeeper
Catherine Collins 5
John M Collins 1

1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Nelson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Nelson
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 22 Seaham St

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
Piece: 4191
Folio: 48
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
John Nelson 32 - Cartman; Orton, Westmorland (same pob as 1881)
Elizabeth Nelson 30
Elizabeth Nelson 9 - Sunderland, Durham
Jane Ann Nelson 5 - Sunderland, Durham
Arthur G Nelson 2 - Gateshead, Durham
John W Nelson 7/12 - Newcastle Upon Tyne

Hi Glitterbaby, I have printed out your data on Jane A Hope
and as it happens I've the Northumberland Cenus for 1871.
Printing out the census I see that this Jane A was born in Surrey
but the Jane A from the above family was born in Stratford in
east london.
I don't think it is the correct one but I have her married in 1879
and she is in all the census reports from 1881 until 1911 under
her married name living in Newcastle upon Tyne.
So now that is three of the 1861 family who are missing from
the 1871 census John Thomas, Jane Ann and Elizabeth Hope,
I wonder what happened to them.
Bob

Looking at her mother's name, what about this marriage?


Sep 1880 (>99%)

BLAKE Margaret Emma Gateshead 10a 885
GORRINGE George Gateshead 10a 885
>>>Hope Elizabeth Caroline B Gateshead 10a 885
>>>Nelson John Gateshead 10a 885


1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Nelson Name: Elizabeth Nelson
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Nelson
Gender: Female
Where born: Peckham, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Biss Str
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Porters Wife

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4987
Folio: 125
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
John Nelson 22
Elizabeth Nelson 21
Joseph Hope 3 ....Nephew

Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HOPE Elizabeth Bowden Greenwich 1d 604


Am I right with this birth - given the middle name

Hi Glitterbaby, yes that is the correct family, I've found the following
children in 1871 James Henry as Henry but he is alone, I have not
found Thomas but he is around in 1881 now married with his new
family and I think I've found Jane Ann Hope in 1871 but will not
know until monday when I can check the census for her.
I have searched for her Elizabeth's death between 1861 and 1871
and even looked for any marriage after 1878 but nothing fits her
criteria.
Thanks for your reply
Bob

1871 is this one of the children ?

Name: Jane A Hope
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Surrey, London, England
Civil parish: Tynemouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth
Town: North Shields
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Tynemouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 5121
Folio: 17
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Charlton 46
Georgina Charlton 40
Eliza Harrison 70
Robert Charlton 15
Jane A Hope 17
Amos Hedley 21
Margaret Hedley 20



1871 another possible
Name: Henry Hope
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Derby, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 116
Piece: 5080
Folio: 48
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
William Haig 43
Ellen Haig 37
Anne J Haig 17
Henry Hope 19

There is this death as a possible:-

Name: HOPE, Elizabeth
Registration district: Gateshead
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1858
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 314

or this one:-

Name: HOPE, Elizabeth
Registration district: Auckland
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1859
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 66

EDIT - SORRY, brain must be dead. She was on the 1861 census


Kath. x

1861 is this the correct family ?

Name: Thomas Hope
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Depton, Durham, England

Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Deptford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Piece: 394
Folio: 149
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hope 33
Elizabeth Hope 33
Henry Hope 9
Thomas Hope 6
Frederick Hope 4
Jane Ann Hope 7
Elizabeth Hope 1



You say you have found Thomas and Frederick in 1871 but can you account for the other children

Hello Robert, and welcome to the boards.

What searches have you done to find Elizabeth? - have you checked out possible deaths, or checked if she's with any relatives and recorded under their name?