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Hi Alviegal

Thank you for all your help today - again - i appreciate it.

Looks like i will have to get the marriage certificate of margaret & charles, otherwise i wont know 100% - and could possibly end up with the wrong info.

regards

Celticqueen

I really think you need the marriage certificate of Margaret Hodson and Charles Mills to determine her father's name and occupation. Then you can perhaps determine whether Ursula is her mother or not.

Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%)
Austin Phoebe Cardiff 11a 388
White Joseph Bartlett Cardiff 11a 38


1911 for Joseph with a new wife.

WHITE, Joseph Bartlett Head Married
25 years M 62 1849 Labourer Saw Mills Per Way Dept Wly Co Eighttcon Wells Nr Brickport Dorset VIEW
WHITE, Phoebe Wife Married F 59 1852 Coleshill Warickshire VIEW
WHITE, Frederick Thomas Son Single M 23 1888 Brakesman By Rly Cp Glam Cardiff VIEW
WHITE, Joseph Bartlett Son Single M 20 1891 Engine Cleane By Rly Co Glam Cadoxton Barry VIEW
WHITE, William Son Single M 17 1894 Point Oirler By Rly Co Glam Cadoxton Barry VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32186 Reference:
RG14PN32186 RG78PN1849 RD588 SD6 ED9 SN274

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
St Nicholas Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Barry

Address:
174 Barry Road Barry County:
Glamorganshire



1901

WHITE, Joseph Head Married M 52 1849 General Labourer
Dorchester Skerswell VIEW
WHITE, Phebe Wife Married F 48 1853
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
WHITE, Fred Son Single M 13 1888
Cardiff
Glamorganshire VIEW
WHITE, Joseph Son M 10 1891
Barry
Glamorganshire VIEW
WHITE, William Son M 7 1894
Barry
Glamorganshire VIEW
Piece:
4993 Folio:
46 Page:
35 Registration District:
Cardiff

Civil Parish:
Barry Municipal Borough:
Address:
144, Barry Road, Barry County:
Glamorganshire



and the 1891 to tie in all the children.


WHITE, Joseph Head Married M 42 1849 Labourer Masons
Askerswell
England VIEW
WHITE, Phebe Wife Married F 57 1834
Barnstaple
England VIEW
WHITE, Jessie Daughter Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Corsley
England VIEW
WHITE, John Son Single M 16 1875 Genl Labourer
Swansea
Glamorganshire VIEW
WHITE, Harry Son Single M 14 1877 Genl Labourer
Swansea
Glamorganshire VIEW
WHITE, Fred Son Single M 4 1887
Swansea
Glamorganshire VIEW
WHITE, Joseph Son Single M 0 (8M) 1891
Swansea
Glamorganshire VIEW
WHITE, Alfred Brother Single M 22 1869 Masons Labourer
Askerswell
England VIEW
OLIVER, Alfred Boarder Single M 21 1870 Masons Labourer
Hollbeach
England VIEW
GARNETT, Albert Boarder Single M 21 1870 Masons Labourer
Southampton
England VIEW
BYALL, Charles Boarder Single M 52 1839 Masons Labourer
Stalberg
England VIEW
Piece:
4406 Folio:
6 Page:
6 Registration District:
Cardiff

Civil Parish:
Cadoxton Juxta Barry Municipal Borough:
Address:
Barry Road, Cadoxton Juxta Barry, Cadoxton County:
Glamorganshire

A tree on ancestry has this for 1881.

WHITE, Joseph Head Married M 32 1849 Dock Lab
Akerselwell
Dorset VIEW
>>WHITE, Ursula Wife Married F 34 1847
Bradford
Devon VIEW
WHITE, Jesse Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Barnstaple
Devon VIEW
WHITE, John Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Swansea
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
WHITE, Henry Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Swansea
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
WHITE, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 1 1880
Swansea
Glamorganshire
Wales VIEW
MORLEY OR MARLEY, Mary Lodger F 35 1846 Domt Sevt
Kilmarnock
Scotland VIEW
PARR, James Lodger Single M 36 1845 Dock Lab
Leabibrea
Devon VIEW
HOLLAND, Thomas Single M 25 1856 Dock Lab
Chichester
Sussex VIEW
Piece:
5357 Folio:
14 Page:
22 Registration District:
Swansea

Civil Parish:
Swansea (Town) Municipal Borough:
Address:
31, Recorder St, Swansea (Town) County:
Glamorganshire


With this being the baptism for the oldest daughter.


Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
Print Close
Forenames: Jessie Cridland
Surname: White
Baptism Year: 1873
Baptism Month: Aug
Baptism Day: 20
Place: Swansea, St Mary
County: Glamorganshire
Birth Year: 1872
Birth Month: Jun
Birth Day: 03
Fathers Forenames: Joseph Barttell
Mothers Forenames: Ursula
Page: 192

Hi Alviegal

Yes - i saw that marriage - but not gave it any thought. Its getting confusing now!! :-S

Celticqueen

You're welcome CQ. I have also been looking for a marriage but with no luck. Also the 1881 seems to be non-existent.


There is this marriage but can't find them after this.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Ursula Cridland
Name: Ursula Cridland
Date of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1865
Registration district: Wincanton
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 847

Record Thomas Warren


Perhaps this is a first marriage and for whatever reason, it didn't last. The 1911 says Ursula and Thomas had been married 30 years (c 1881) and she would have been mid 30s by then. Maybe they didn't marry.

Hi Alviegal

I was just going to ask you for help on looking for ursula & thomas's marriage - been looking can't see anything as yet?

Also going back to ursula & thomas.... Can you see them on the 1881 Census...?

I appreciate your time & help alvigal.. :-)

Celticqueen

This is probably Ursula, going by her son's middle name.


1851

CREDLAND, George Head Married M 41 1810 Mason
Bradford Abbas
Dorset VIEW
CREDLAND, Ann Wife Married F 41 1810
Bradford Abbas
Dorset VIEW
CREDLAND, Ann Daughter F 19 1832 Glove Server
Bradford Abbas
Dorset VIEW
CREDLAND, Simeon Son M 17 1834 Mason
Bradford Abbas
Dorset VIEW
CREDLAND, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Scholar
Bradford Abbas
Dorset VIEW
CREDLAND, Ursula Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Bradford Abbas
Dorset VIEW
CREDLAND, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1849 Scholar
Bradford Abbas
Dorset VIEW
Piece:
1859 Folio:
421 Page:
27 Registration District:
Sherborne

Civil Parish:
Bradford Abbas Municipal Borough:
Address:
Bradford Abbas, Bradford Abbas County:
Dorsetshire

Thank you Alviegal & Vera....

Will now go and digest all this info and then start on Charles Mills backwards................!

Many thanks

Celticqueen

Her parents in 1901? Same area she is in. She is also a french polisher like her sister. Place of birth is well out for Ursula though!
Annellia could be Agnes Ellen???


HODSON, Thomas Head Married M 45 1856 Labourer Raily
West Ashlen
Sussex VIEW
HODSON, Ursula Wife Married F 53 1848
Beadford
Yorkshire VIEW
HODSON, Amellia Daughter Single F 14 1887 French Polisher
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
HODSON, George Son Single M 11 1890
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
Piece:
2867 Folio:
9 Page:
10 Registration District:
Aston

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Address:
20, Belmont Passage, Aston County:
Warwickshire



1911


HODSON, Thomas Head Married M 55 1856 Labourer West Ashling Sussex VIEW
HODSON, Ursula Wife Married
30 years F 65 1846 None Bradford Abbss Sherbourne Dorset VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18174 Reference:
RG14PN18174 RG78PN1099 RD385 SD1 ED27 SN77

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
Aston

Address:
5 Garrison Street Birmingham County:
Warwickshire



Her marriage certificate would confirm all this.



name: George Cridland Hodson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Sep 1897
baptism/christening place: Ashted, Warwick, England
birth date: 16 Apr 1889
name note: Abode 20 Belmont Passage
father's name: Thomas Hodson
mother's name: Ursula Hodson
indexing project (batch) number: C00844-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545522

Hi Alviegal

Thats got to be her surely? .............

Looking at the christian names -it seems to tie in with charles & margarets children's names in 1911.

Celticqueen

??? Manila mis-transcribed for Ursula. Married. 1901 Husband Thomas Railway Labourer. EDIT repeating above 1891 but maybe links to 1901.

.1891 England Census
about Margaret Hodson Name: Margaret Hodson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Manila Hodson
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chapel en le Frith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Bradshaw Edge
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2780
Folio: 87
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Manila Hodson 45
Elizabeth Ann Hodson 11
Margaret Hodson 7
Agnes Ellen Hodson 5
George Cardland Hodson 1
Robert Martin 38
Richard Oakley 23
Thomas Mackssey 24
George English 23
Mark Boxell 39

1901 England Census
about Ursula Hodson Name: Ursula Hodson
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Hodson
Gender: Female
Where born: Beadford, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 2867
Folio: 9
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hodson 45
Ursula Hodson 53
Amelia Hodson 14
George Hodson 11


Vera

In that case, this may be her.

1891 England Census about Margaret Hodson
Name: Margaret Hodson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Manila Hodson
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chapel en le Frith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Bradshaw Edge
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2780
Folio: 87
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Manila Hodson 45 Gender: Female
Where born: Bradford Abbas, Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Ann Hodson 11
Margaret Hodson 7
Agnes Ellen Hodson 5
George Cardland Hodson 1
Robert Martin 38
Richard Oakley 23
Thomas Mackssey 24
George English 23
Mark Boxell 39


or as fmp has it.


1891

HODSON, Ursula Head Married F 45 1846 Tailoress
Bradford Abbas
Dorsetshire VIEW
HODSON, Elizabeth Ann Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Swansea
Glamorganshire VIEW
HODSON, Margart Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Croydon
Surrey VIEW
HODSON, Agnes Ellen Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Birmingham VIEW
HODSON, George Cridland Son M 1 1890
Runcorn
Cheshire VIEW
MARTIN, Robert Lodger Single M 38 1853 General Labourer
Cosham
Hampshire VIEW
OAKLEY, Richard Lodger Single M 23 1868 General Labourer
Dudley
Worcestershire VIEW
MACKERSEY, Thomas Lodger Single M 22 1869 General Labourer
Brighton
Sussex VIEW
ENGLISH, George Lodger Single M 23 1868 General Labourer
Stow on the Wold
Gloucestershire VIEW
BOXALL, Mark Lodger Single M 39 1852 General Labourer
Liphook
Hampshire VIEW
Piece:
2780 Folio:
87 Page:
11 Registration District:
Chapel En Le Frith

Civil Parish:
Chapel En Le Frith Municipal Borough:
Address:
Bowden Hey Cottages, Bunfields, Chapel En Le Frith, Bowden Edge County:
Derbyshire

Thats the one Alviegal............

So this is her born Croydon?

MILLS, Charles Henry Head Married M 28 1883 Goods Checker On Midland Railway Birmingham VIEW
MILLS, Margaret Wife Married
8 years F 27 1884 Croydon London VIEW
MILLS, Margaret Ursula Daughter F 7 1904 Birmingham VIEW
MILLS, Rose Agnes Daughter F 5 1906 Birmingham VIEW
MILLS, Charles Henry Son M 1 1910 Meadows Nottingham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20535 Reference:
RG14PN20535 RG78PN1229 RD430 SD2 ED22 SN32

Registration District:
Nottingham Sub District:
Nottingham South East Enumeration District:
22 Parish:
Nottingham

Address:
14 Bell Terrace Bell St Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire

hi alviegal

Just trying to find margaret in 1891. Have found her in 1901 and 1911 (with husband charles mills) .

Basically i am just trying to work backwards through the census's.

regards

celticqueen

Perhaps one of these? What facts do you know about her please?


HIDSON, Margaret 1884 7 F Edmonton Middlesex (actually reads Lambeth)

Address:
Children Home, The Green, Edmonton



Household HODGSON, Margaret 1885 6 F Fulham London VIEW

Address:
18, Hadyn Park Flats, Orchard Road, Hammersmith

Daughter of Lewis and Mary.

Hi Potty

Thank you for finding her.

Can you see her on the 1891 Census at all please?

Many thanks

Celticqueen

1901 England Census
about Margaret Hodson
Name: Margaret Hodson
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Aston Manor
Ecclesiastical parish: Lozells St Paul
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Aston Manor
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 2883
Folio: 8
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
William Johnson 35
Emme Johnson 21
Margaret Hodson 17
Edith Leighton 20

Hi

Can some kind person look up for me please:-

Margaret Hodson - born - 1884
POB - London
Location in 1901- Warwick, Aston Manor

Thank you

Celticqueen