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25 Mar 2012 18:29 |
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So, given all this is just supposition at the moment, it looks as if a possible connection would be:
James Binding born about 1838-9 in Somerset, possibly the adoptive father of Leonard William Mathews, had a sister Hannah Binding
Hannah married James Mathews in Somerset and their children included Eva and Rose Mathews, both of whom were working in Hammersmith in 1881.
Leonard William Mathews was born about 1885 and living with James Binding in 1891.
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25 Mar 2012 18:26 |
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A possible for 1841?
Name: James Bending Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Somerset, England Civil parish: Stogumber Hundred: Williton and Freemanners County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Williton Sub-registration district: Stogumber Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 966 Book: 11 Folio: 21 Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age James Bending 35 Mary Bending 35 Elizabeth Bending 10 Mary Bending 8 Hannah Bending 6 James Bending 3
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25 Mar 2012 18:15 |
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Death registration William West Matthews born abt 1886 registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1886 Fulham London
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25 Mar 2012 18:13 |
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So this little lad who sadly died shortly after baptism may also be connected?
William West Matthews bapt 7 Sep 1886 mother Rose Matthews (born 10 July 1886) at Saint John the Evangelist, Hammersmith, Hammersmith and Fulham
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25 Mar 2012 18:10 |
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Rosa (and possibly Eva)'s parents' marriage?
Marriages Sep 1859 Taunton 5c 617 Binding Hannah <<<< Mathews James <<< Mitcham Jane Richards William
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25 Mar 2012 18:06 |
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- and Eva with grandparents:
Name: Eva Mathews Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Granddaughter Father's Name: Charles W Mathews Gender: Female Where born: Stogumber, Somerset, England Civil parish: West Buckland County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Wellington Sub-registration district: Wellington ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 2362 Folio: 25 Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age Mary Mathews 57 Elizabeth Mathews 30 Clement Mathews 26 Sophia Mathews 24 Charles W Mathews 32 Eva Mathews 10
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25 Mar 2012 18:05 |
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1871 census in Stogumber:
Name: Rosa Matthews Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Matthews Mother's Name: Hannah Matthews Gender: Female Where born: Stogumber, Somerset, England Civil parish: Stogumber Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Williton Sub-registration district: Stogumber ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 156 Piece: 2355 Folio: 20 Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age James Matthews 35 Hannah Matthews 34 Emma Matthews 11 Rosa Matthews 7 Alice Mary Matthews 5 Clara Matthews 3 Mary Binding 68 John Binding 19
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25 Mar 2012 18:03 |
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Hi Londonbelle,
That looks right - there is a Bedward visitor with Leonard's family on the 1911 census
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25 Mar 2012 17:59 |
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Wow!
I've just been checking back for the clarity of the image regarding the birthplace and went on to check residences of James and Sarah...
.... in 1881 they were living next to this household - look at the servants:
Name: Daniel Watney Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Kingston on Thames County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: Coombe Croft Condition as to marriage: Widow Education:
Occupation: Distiller & Brewer Registration district: Kingston Sub-registration district: Kingston ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 832 Folio: 98 Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age Daniel Watney 55 Eleanor J. Watney 24 Theadore Watney 21 Susannah Clark 36 William M. Hamlet 29 George Jarvis 38 Ann Berryman 43 Maria Binding 39 <<<<<<< born Stogumber, Somerset, England Eva Mathews 19 <<<<<<< born Stogumber, Somerset, England Rosa Mathews 18 <<<<<<< born Stogumber, Somerset, England Georgina M. Bergin 25
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25 Mar 2012 17:59 |
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Is this there marriage?
Name: Maude Florence Bedward Age: 20 Address: 14 Garfield Road Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Spouse Name: Leonard William Binding occ Boat Salesman(?) possibly Boot Salesman Spouse Age: 21 Address: 17 Garfield Road Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 27 Oct 1906 Parish: Twickenham St Mary the Virgin Borough: Richmond Upon Thames Father Name: James Bedward occ Furnishings Dealer Spouse Father Name: James Bindiny (image states Binding) occ Dentist Councils Servant Register Type: Parish Registers
Witnesses: Charles S Kimber & James William Bedward
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25 Mar 2012 17:53 |
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Hi Imogen, do come back to the thread once you have the certificate and let us know whether it looks possible.
It might be a good chance since the 1901 census claimed that he was born in Fulham and the 1891 "Feltham" may have been a mistake on the enumerator's part?
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24 Mar 2012 23:08 |
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Leonard William when he married
Name: Leonard William Binding Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1906 Registration district: Brentford Inferred County: Middlesex Volume Number: 3a Page Number: 265 (click to see others on page) Maude Florence Bedward
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24 Mar 2012 22:54 |
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William Leonard Matthews Jul-Aug-Sep 1885 Fulham Greater London, London, Middlesex
I've not ruled him out. I'm waiting for a certificate to find out more. I've found that he doesn't appear on the 1891 census and there's no death record for him, so it's looking like this might be him.
Although how it fits in I don't know, as there are no known connections to Fulham.
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24 Mar 2012 22:12 |
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Hi Imogen, I see that the place of birth changes each census:
1891 LWM Feltham (in Staines registration district) 1901 LWB Fulham (Fulham RD) 1911 LWB Wandsworth
I cannot spot any likely birth registrations in Staines (surnames Luker and Jenkinson are with parents), but there is a possible in Fulham:
William Leonard Matthews Jul-Aug-Sep 1885 Fulham Greater London, London, Middlesex
(and cross-checking William Mat*hews between baptisms, 1891 census and the birth and death registrations for Fulham still leaves it as a possible - I had wondered about William West Matthews born to Rose, but he died shortly after baptims)
Have you already ruled this one out?
[Edit - apologies, I had forgotten that you have already suggested this may be the one you are looking for!]
Perhaps wait to see whether the marriage certificate to Maud throws up any new info and then order this birth registration?
Name: William Leonard Matthews Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1885 Registration district: Fulham Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 312
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24 Mar 2012 21:52 |
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Ivy.
I've not got the marriage certificate for William Leonard and Maud Florence Bedward, who he married in 1906 yet, but hoping to get it soon.
James and Sarah Jane were both from Somerset, where they married in 1861. They moved to London before 1871 when they were in recorded as living in George Street Battersea. They don't appear to have had a connection with London before this date.
I'm currently trying to follow the trees of James' brothers and sisters to see if any of them might have followed them up to London, and been one of Leonard William Mathews parents. But so far I've not had any luck.
Choccy.
William Leonard Binding had got married in 1906 to Maud Florence Bedward, and was no longer living with his mother and sister.
He did call his first daughter, Clara b 1907 after his sister (cousin?), his next child was Leonard Maurice b 1909 who was my grand father. (I have realized I put one too many greats in the first post. - Leonard William, is my great grand father, not my GG Grandfather
In the 1911 census he's listed as Leonard Binding b. 1886 in Wandsworth.
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24 Mar 2012 21:26 |
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BINDING, Sarah Jane Head Widow F 69 1842 Dresmaker Somerset St Gumbes VIEW BINDING, Clara Daughter Single F 35 1876 Dresmaker Surrey Wandsworth VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 6844 Reference: RG14PN6844 RG78PN341 RD128 SD2 ED11 SN90 Registration District: Brentford Sub District: Twickenham Enumeration District: 11 Parish: Twickenham Address: 15 the Barons Twickenham County: Middlesex
1 child born and 1 still living (?) on original which seems to fit with the theory that Leonard William was not their son
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24 Mar 2012 21:09 |
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Hi Imogen, do you have WLB's marriage certificate showing his father and the names of the witnesses?
If LWM was a nephew who was adopted, it would be sensible to look for the wider family of James and Sarah Jane.
Adoption was formalised in 1927 by statute which required court orders to be registered. However, the Guardians of the Poor Law/Public Assistance bodies were placing children prior to this.
This is a helpful webpage detailing the archives that might be available to search, whilst also pointing out that records might have been lost:
http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.uk/search/questions/
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24 Mar 2012 20:47 |
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I'm trying to trace my great great grand father William Leonard Binding, born around 1886 in Fulham (according to the 1901 census)
He appears living with his parents James and Sarah Jane, and sister Clara at 17 Garfield Road Twickenham in 1901 (They have been listed as Bending in the census rather than Binding). In 1891 James, Sarah Jane and Clara are all at 17 Garfield Road, however William Leonard is not. There is though a Leonard W Mathews living there who was born around 1886 who is said to be their nephew.
There is no birth record for a William Leonard or Leonard William Binding in the 1880's.
So I'm thinking that they might have adopted Leonard W Mathews. The problem is that Leonard W Mathews, who was 5 in 1891 and was said to have been born in Feltham, Middlesex, doesn't seem to have a birth record either.
There is a William Leonard Matthews born in Fulham Middlesex in the September quarter of 1885. He doesn't appear on the 1891 census, and I've not found any death record for him, so I'm thinking this might be right person.
If they did adopt him would there be any records, or were adoptions in the 1890s not really recorded?
And suggestions of how to work out this jumble of ancestors is welcome.
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