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thanx everybody i shall go back double check and try to get birth certificates

cheers phil :-D :-D :-D

(would agree with you there PH)...

Was having a quick look for the Johns 1871, no luck so far!...

Chris :)

Looking back at the 1881 census that Marie posted............i would say that the Haines/Lindsey marriage is connected to that couple.

I found that too Marie...........but took it that there was Groom missing??

Found this marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1872
DAVIES Margaret Carmarthen 11a 1091
Gilmore William Carmarthen 11a 1091
GRIFFITHS Rachel Carmarthen 11a 1091
HAINES John Carmarthen 11a 1091 <<
RUSH Jane Carmarthen 11a 1091

Unfortunately, there's a bride missing .....

I think the only way to go would be to purchase one of the childrens birth certificates Philip.

Not sure it is MC, wonder if he has any Birth Certs. of children, to get Mothers Maiden name?...

Chris :)


Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
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Haines Annie Bryn Pontypridd 11a 413

(a Daughter)

I'm still puzzled as to how that marriage in Lambeth is tied to the couple that Philip is researching?

1911 ?

HAINES, John Head Married M 60 1851 Colliery Labourer Below Ground Gloucester Tormorten
HAINES, Annie Brinn Wife Married (Bunn? or Brinn)
39 years F 61 1850 Pembroke
GRENTER, Joseph E Son In Law Married M 26 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Langhurst Somerset
GRENTER, Sarah Ann Daughter Married
1 years F 21 1890 Pentre Glamorganshire
GRENTER, Angelena Annie Granddaughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Pentre Glamorganshire
HAINES, Benjamin Grandson M 10 1901 Pentre Glamorganshire
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32348 Reference:
RG14PN32348 RG78PN1853A RD589 SD4 ED20 SN141
Registration District:
Pontypridd Sub District:
Rhondda Enumeration District:
20 Parish:
Rhondda
Address:
24 Albert Street Pentre Rhondda County:
Glamorganshire

(11 children born, 7 living, 4 died)

Chris :)


1891

HAINES, John Head Married M 40 1851 Coal Miner
Todmorden
Gloucestershire
HAINES, Annie B Wife Married F 40 1851
Narberth
Pembrokeshire
HAINES, Henry Son Single M 18 1873 Coal Miner
Ystradyfodwg
Glamorganshire
HAINES, John Son Single M 17 1874 Coal Miner
Ystradyfodwg
Glamorganshire
HAINES, Annie B Daughter Single F 15 1876 Scholar
Ystradyfodwg
Glamorganshire
HAINES, Benjamin Son M 12 1879 Coal Miner
Ystradyfodwg
Glamorganshire
HAINES, Thomas Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Ystradyfodwg
Glamorganshire
HAINES, Elizabeth M Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Ystradyfodwg
Glamorganshire
HAINES, Sarah A Daughter F 1 1890
Ystradyfodwg
Glamorganshire
DALIMORE, Alfred Lodger Single M 40 1851 Coal Miner
Corkwell
Wiltshire
Piece:
4423 Folio:
99 Page:
7 Registration District:
Pontypridd
Civil Parish:
Ystradyfodwg Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Albert Street, Ystradyfodwg, Middle County:
Glamorganshire

This seems to be the couple Philip is researching.....

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John HAINES Head M Male 31 Gloucester, England Coal Miner
Ann HAINES Wife M Female 31 Pembroke, Wales
Henry HAINES Son U Male 8 Pentre Ystrad Scholar
John HAINES Son U Male 7 Pentre Ystrad Scholar
Annie B. HAINES Dau U Female 5 Pentre Ystrad Scholar
Benjamin HAINES Son Male 3 Pentre Ystrad
Thomas HAINES Son Male 11 m Pentre Ystrad
John GRIFFITHS Relative U Male 23 Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales Coal Miner


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Source Information:
Dwelling 8 Albert Street
Census Place Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
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HAINES John Henley 3a 861
Lindsey Annie Henley 3a 861

Chris :)

England Marriages, 1538–1973 for John Haines
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groom's name: John Haines
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bride's name: Annie Lindsey
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marriage date: 20 Jul 1873
marriage place: St Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England
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How do you know that the 1873 marriage is theirs? Do you have the certificate to confirm?

If so, what was her fathers details on it.

That 1873 does say she was from Oxford, although that might have been where she was living ...

my john haines is from tormortan south gloucestershire and they are in 1901 census 23 albert st pentre as annie haines and john haines

Philip - could you confirm if this is the right family before we go chasing the wrong people?

I have found the same family in 1891 but Annie is a widow, last child born 1888.

Is this them in 1881? If so, it's not showing Wales as birthplace - in fact the birthplaces seem the other way round to what's on the banns:

HAINES, John Head Married M 31 1850 Carman Bennington Oxfordshire
HAINES, Annie Wife Married F 33 1848 Lambeth Surrey
HAINES, Emily E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Lambeth Surrey
HAINES, Risina M Daughter Single F 2 1879 Lambeth Surrey

Registration District: Lambeth
Civil Parish: Lambeth

Address: 22, Bolwell Street, Lambeth County: London, Surrey

The marriage banns show she was from the parish of Kidmorsen (or something like that), Oxford and she was a spinster.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: John Haines
Spouse Name: Annie Lindsey
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 13 Jul 1873
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Register

Can't find the actual marriage to get her father's details.