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Hi all,

William Rowland (b. 1830s, Ireland) was my 3xGt Grandfather, and William (b. 1860, Hamilton), was my 2xGt Grandfather. I too am a vague on the details of their time in Scotland (no certificates, etc.), and their origins in Ireland. If you find anything out would you be kindly posting an update on here?

Kindest regards,

Warren

Thank you I will do that

Eringobrach1916 I will look into that, thank you

Maybe worth considering this one....Corresponds with Census 1871/81 shown by ***alviegal***

parents: Gulielmi Roland, Annae Hawson Roland


name: David *Roland*
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Mar 1862
baptism/christening place: St. Marys, Sunderland, Durham, England
birth date: 23 Jan 1862
father's name: Gulielmi Roland
mother's name: Annae Hawson Roland

Gut feeling, I don't think any of those Johns are yours. I would go for a certifiacte of either Joseph or Christopher.

Thanks for the above info. I do think I should buy Johns birth certificate to confirm his parents. It will be helpful if only for that.
I appreciate the time you are spending helping me with this, thank you.

Not seeing a birth for John on Scotlandspeople. There are 2 John Rollands born in Fife

1857 ROLLAND JOHN M CARNOCK (FIFE) /FIFE 414/00 0088
1858 ROLLAND JOHN M ABERDOUR (FIFE) /FIFE 401/00 0066


Those are the only ones using this search option

searched for: Surname: "ROWLAND"; Surname Option: Variants; Forename: "JOHN"; Forename Option: Prefix; Sex: "Any"; Year From: 1855; Year To: 1858;


I then tried searching for a marriage for William (Senior) using this

You searched for: Male Surname: "ROWLAND"; Male Surname Option: Variants; Male Forename: "WILLIAM"; Male Forename Option: Prefix; Female Surname: ""; Female Surname Option: Exact; Female Forename: ""; Female Forename Option: Prefix; Year From: 1855; Year To: 1861;

That gave these results

1858 ROWLAND WILLIAM YOUNG BARBARA TRADESTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/09 0311
1860 ROWLANDS WILLIAM YOUNG WEBSTER MARY ST ANDREW (EDINBURGH) EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0412

So no marriage to an Ann. (I wondered if John was Ann's son before she married William).


Perhaps a birth certificate for one on the younger children to verify Ann's maiden surname as it is illegible on William junior's birth registration.

???

Births Mar 1870 Rowland Joseph Sunderland 10a 594


Births Dec 1864 Rowland Christopher Sunderland 10a 440

This is probably your William ...Killed Wearmouth Colliery....

Rowland, William, 23 May 1878, aged 48, Hewer, killed by a fall of stone

So if I get Johns birth certificate it wont get me any further. Thank you for your help, it is much appreciate

The birth posted isn't your William.

I think that this may be your man but alas in 1859 they didn't give the date and place of the parents marriage.

9 1859 WROLAND WILLIAM M BOTHWELL /LANARK 625/01 0171

born 17 July 1859

Yes, I will, thanks again

You're welcome. Let us know how you get on.

Liz

Im pretty sure, William died in 1878 down the mines but Im not sure how to find the irish census. I will get Johns birth certificate, as that will be a start. Thanks so much for all your help

1911 for William, I think.

ROWLAND, William Head Married M 51 1860 Stone Miner Coal Mine Hamilton Lanark Resident VIEW
ROWLAND, Jane Wife Married
25 years F 50 1861 Housewife Durham Sunderland VIEW
ROWLAND, William Son Single M 21 1890 Coal Miner Onsetter Below Ground Durham Sunderland VIEW
ROWLAND, James Son Single M 20 1891 Coal Miner Lampman Above Ground Durham Sunderland VIEW
ROWLAND, Peter Son Single M 17 1894 Coal Miner Boy Onsetting Durham Sunderland VIEW
ROWLAND, Arthur Son Single M 6 1905 School Durham Sunderland VIEW
KELLY, Elizabeth Servant Single F 19 1892 Seravent Domestic Durham Sunderland VIEW
VELMA, Bert Visitor Married M 50 1861 Music Hall Artist London VIEW
VELMA, Ivy Visitor Married
9 years F 30 1881 Music Hall Artist Tiverton Devon VIEW
VELMA, George Visitor Single M 5 1906 Hereford VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30009 Reference:
RG14PN30009 RG78PN1734 RD552 SD1 ED17 SN16

Registration District:
Easington Sub District:
Wingate Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Shotton

Address:
17 Blackhills Terrace Horden Sunderland County:
Durham


and 1911 for John.


ROWLAND, John Head Married M 54 1857 Coal Miner Stoneman Scotland Resident VIEW
ROWLAND, Mary Wife Married
33 years F 53 1858 Sunderland Durham VIEW
ROWLAND, Isaac Son Single M 18 1893 Coal Miner Endless Rope Lad Durham Sunderland VIEW
ROWLAND, Edward Lathan Son Single M 15 1896 Coal Miner Pony Driver Durham Sunderland VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30007 Reference:
RG14PN30007 RG78PN1734 RD552 SD1 ED15 SN11

Registration District:
Easington Sub District:
Wingate Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
Shotton

Address:
4 First St Horden Sunderland County:
Durham

Sorry, William the son. Can't find anything on the father but if the birth certificate has the place of William and Ann's marriage it may help to place them.

Do you mean William 1833 or his son.
Are, 1860, found him

According to the 1911, William was born in Hamilton, Lanarkshire.

John was born in Glasgow.


This appears to be William. Sorry have run out of credits for scotlandspeople.

1 1860 ROWLAND WILLIAM M DALZIEL /LANARK 639/00 0153

No I havent but it seems like a good thing to do.
I didnt realise that

Do you have the birth certificates of either John or William. Scottish birth certificates usually have the date and place of parents marriage.

This is correct, I have 'William died down the coal mine in 1878

1871. Just checking to see if there is any more info on the census records, so bear with me.

RAWLAND, William Head M 35 1836 Ireland VIEW coal miner
RAWLAND, Ann Wife F 37 1834 Ireland VIEW
RAWLAND, John Son M 14 1857 Scotland VIEW
RAWLAND, William Son M 11 1860 Scotland VIEW
RAWLAND, David Son M 9 1862 County Durham VIEW
RAWLAND, Christopher Son M 6 1865 County Durham VIEW
RAWLAND, James Son M 4 1867 County Durham VIEW
RAWLAND, Joseph Son M 1 1870 County Durham VIEW
Piece:
4994 Folio:
90 Page:
22 Registration District:
Chester Lee Street

Civil Parish:
Usworth Municipal Borough:
Address:
Washington New Row, Usworth County:
Durham


Died before 1881 so that's no good!

ROWLAND, Ann Head Widow F 50 1831
Ireland VIEW
ROWLAND, David Son Single M 20 1861 Coal Miner
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
ROWLAND, Christopher Son Single M 19 1862 Coal Miner
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
ROWLAND, James Son Single M 15 1866 Coal Miner
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
ROWLAND, Joseph Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
Piece:
5004 Folio:
103 Page:
50 Registration District:
Sunderland

Civil Parish:
Monk Wearmouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Chilton St, Monk Wearmouth County:
Durham