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Name: CHAPPLE, Thomas
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Place :
Country: Unknown
Year: 1852
Volume : R.A.20
Page: 134
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)

(wonder about above?)...

Chris :)


1881 (Thomas who Married Ellen, 1874)

CHAPPLE, Thomas Head Married M 28 1853 Oil Man
Woolwich, Kent
CHAPPLE, Ellen Wife Married F 29 1852
Bethnal Green, Middlesex
CHAPPLE, Victoria E Daughter Single F 4 1877
Kentish Town, Middlesex
CHAPPLE, Alice M Daughter Single F 2 1879
Bow, Middlesex
WAGSTAFF, Henry Father In Law Widower M 58 1823
Southwark, Middlesex
SMART, Elizabeth Sister In Law Married F 35 1846
Stepney, Middlesex
HAWES, Elizabeth Visitor Widow F 50 1831 Dressmaker
High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire
Piece: 491
Folio: 110
Page: 21
Registration District: Poplar
Civil Parish: Bow Aka St Mary Stratford-Le-Bow
Municipal Borough:
Address: 295, Roman Rd, Bow Aka St Mary Stratford-Le-Bow
County: London, Middlesex


https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/

(is he on above?)

On thomas death certificate here in NZ it states his father as Thomas Chapple and just Chapple as his mother. At the time of his death in 1925 he was 73yrs of age and had been in New Zealand 70 yrs

Sorry, Trevor, I thought I had posted the website address for the page with Thomas Chapple on!

Jax, I think that the Thomas Chapple birth registered in Lewisham could be the one baptised in Woolwich. Lewisham then covered some areas that were quite close to the RA Barracks in Woolwich. Sandy Hill (the address on the baptism) seems to be in Plumstead which was covered by Lewisham then.

But, this can't be Trevor's Thomas as this one stayed in England!

Trevor, please can you tell us what evidence you have for Thomas's DOB and father's name? Do you know his father's occupation?

found by googling

http://www.rma-searcher.co.uk/chelsea/index.htm

If that Thomas was in the uk he cannot be your one surely?

Wot is the site for the Asylum Potty

There were no penalties for not registering the births before 1875 these are the only ones around that date

Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Chapple Thomas Lewisham 1d 541

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Births Dec 1852 (>99%)
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Chapple Thomas * Stoke Damerel 5b 203
CHAPPLE Thomas Henry Stoke D 5b 305

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Births Dec 1853 (>99%)
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CHAPPLE Thomas Tynemouth 10b 137
CHAPPLE Thomas Northmore Plympton 5b 201

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So the one born woolwich was not registered?

Here are some deaths which may tie in with some of those births?

Deaths Jun 1852 (>99%)
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CHAPPLE Thomas Lewisham 1d 369

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Deaths Jun 1853 (>99%)
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Chapple Thomas S. Molton 5b 309
Chapple Thomas Henry Stoke D 5b 211

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What infomation do you have on them? do you have the area he was born?

If he was born in 1852 and went to NZ in 1855 he will not be on any census

Thats interesting Potty
Can u find another Thomas Chapple born round that time 1852 with father also as Thomas.

The Thomas in the 1861 seems to have married Ellen Wagstaff in 1874 in Hackney - father given as Thomas Chapple, Paymaster in RA; an Ann Chapple was one of the witnesses. If your Thomas stayed in NZ, it doesn't look as if he was the one baptised in Woolwich in 1852.

Are you sure that the Thomas Chapple who went to NZ in 1855 is the son of Thomas and Ann? There is only one Thomas Chapple birth registered in the right area in 1852:

and in 1861 there is this boy:

1861 England Census
about Thomas Chapple
Name: Thomas Chapple
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Boy On The Foundation (Boy)
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Chelsea
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Military Asylum

The Asylum has a website which list all the children admitted. This Thomas was admitted on 23/06/1960, his parents are shown as Thomas and Ann and he was "delivered to his uncle" on 23/06/1866. The regiment mentioned is the RA.

The Asylum was a school for the sons of regular soldiers.

Are you sure that the Thomas Chapple who went to NZ in 1855 is the son of Thomas and Ann? There is only one Thomas Chapple birth registered in the right area in 1852:

and in 1861 there is this boy:

1861 England Census
about Thomas Chapple
Name: Thomas Chapple
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Boy On The Foundation (Boy)
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: Chelsea
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Military Asylum

The Asylum has a website which list all the children admitted. This Thomas was admitted on 23/06/1960, his parents are shown as Thomas and Ann and he was "delivered to his uncle" on 23/06/1866. The regiment mentioned is the RA.

The Asylum was a school for the sons of regular soldiers.

What are you actually hoping to learn?

Thats interesting
But Thomas jnr was here in 1855/56

Wonder if this is him...not much help though

Worldwide Army Index
1861

First Name(s):Thomas
Last Name:Chapple
Number:1224
Rank:Bombardier
Unit:14th Brigade R.A.
Regiment Stationed at:Shanghai (8th batt only)
National Archives reference:WO10 / 2669


He was a seargent in the RA when they married

Jax
Thats them you have found

So would think they were over 21 when they married

What were the fathers names and occupations?

edit - found it

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ann Cann Name: Ann Cann
Spouse Name: Thomas Chapple
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Oct 1851
Parish: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: George Cann
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Chapple
Register Type: Parish Register

Thank u yes we have
We also have copy of where marriage was solemized and it just states of age in age column so ages unsure.

Hi trevor

Have you checked the search trees to see if anyone has them in their tree?

Anyone out there with these two ppl
They married on 2nd October 1851 @ the Parish Church of St Mary in Woolwich
They had a son Thomas Chapple born 23 June 1852 baptised 8th August 1852.
I know Thomas (1852) came to New Zealand about 1855 who with is unknown as cant find records of arrival here or anything on his parents coming here to New Zealand.
Can anyone help