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The 1901 shows Jessie as born in Prussia which suggests that visits were made back there.

It looks like after Elizabeth died the children were with other family members .the older one getting married before 1911.

I have a similar puzzle . my German grt grandfather disappears after 1907 when his wife died. He didnt die in the UK so can only assume he went back to Germany. Unfortunately travel records haven't been kept as they were just cross channel journeys.

I did inquire at Kew but was told no records have been kept.


Jessie doesnt show on the 1911 although she is in Kingston for her marriage . wonder if she went with Edmund and then came back again

Emma, if you bought a copy of Jessie's marriage certificate it would at least indicate if Edmund was alive when she married.

You can get a copy from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
They cost £9.25

Profession of father master tailor or sailor?? That's all it says

Any ideas how to find out, I am new to this really

not seeing her on the 1911 though


Name: LORENZ, Jessie
Registration district: Kingston
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1917
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Whatling
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 950A

Name: WHATLING, Wilfred
Registration district: Kingston
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1917
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Lorenz
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 950A


again what does it say about her dad??

Got his marriage certified he was wed on the 17/09/1885 to a Elizabeth walker and Edmund's dad is Gottfried Lorenz

maybe he went back to Prussia. Theres no shipping records for continental travel

Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: LORENZ, Herbert Edmund G
Registration district: Kingston
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 974
MarriageFinder: Herbert Edmund G Lorenz married one of the following people:

JACQUES, Sarah


the cert may say if Edmund was deceased at the time although thats not a def as some didnt say so altho the dad was dead

his wife

Civil Registration event: Death

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Name: LORENZ, Elizabeth
Registration district: Kingston
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1901
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 39
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 268

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Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Edmund LORENZ
Date of departure: 23 July 1926
Port of departure: Glasgow
Destination port: Montreal
Destination country: Canada

Date of Birth: 1854 (calculated from age)
Age: 72
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Editor
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 3 of 10
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Barbara LORENZ
Florence LORENZ
Ship: ATHENIA
Official Number: 146330
Master's name: James Black
Steamship Line: Anchor-Donaldson
Where bound: Montreal, Canada
Square feet: 14095
Registered tonnage: 8118
Passengers on voyage: 284

I wonder where he went, Jessie Lorenz his another daughter is mine great nana

Two of his children in 1911:

WALKER, Frank Head Married 26 years M 53 1858 Cashier To Seed Merchants And Nurserymen Chilwel Notts
WALKER, Caroline Elizabeth Wife Married F 46 1865 Beeston Notts
WALKER, Frank Thornhill Son Single M 21 1890 Butcher Tottenham Middlesex
LORENZ, Dorothy Selina Niece Single F 16 1895 Milton Staffs
LORENZ, Frank Nephew M 12 1899 School Hampton Middx

RG number: RG14 Piece: 28813 Reference: RG14PN28813 RG78PN1653 RD523 SD1 ED7 SN96
Registration District: Patrington
Sub District: Patrington
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Keyingham

Address: Keyingham Hull County: Yorkshire (East riding)

1911 census transcription details for: 32 Rosehill Hampton - Mddx

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN3562 RG78PN134 RD40 SD5 ED2 SN20
Reg. District: Kingston
Sub District: Hampton
Parish: Hampton
Enum. District: 2
Address: 32 Rosehill Hampton - Mddx
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LORENZ, Herbert Head Married M 24 1887 Oilmans Assistant Chillwell Nottingham
LORENZ, Sarah Wife Married
3 years F 27 1884 Broughton Northampton
LORENZ, Albert Son M 1 1910 Hampton Middl

thanks Marie I thought the name was familiar

Shirley - I've found a Lorenz thread from February but it's different people and a different poster?

Yeah this is him, just can't find anything after this. Don't know where he went

for ref.

1901
Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
LORENZ, Edmund Head Widower M 43 1858 Fruiterer & Florist
Prussia (German Subject) VIEW
LORENZ, Herbert Son Single M 14 1887
Beeston, Nottinghamshire VIEW
LORENZ, Franciska Daughter Single F 13 1888
Beeston, Nottinghamshire VIEW
LORENZ, Jessie Daughter Single F 10 1891
Prussia VIEW
LORENZ, Dorothea Daughter Single F 6 1895
Stoke on Trent VIEW
LORENZ, Cyril Son Single M 4 1897
Hampton, Middlesex VIEW
Piece: 671
Folio: 72
Page: 34
Registration District: Kingston
Civil Parish: Hampton (Middlesex)
Municipal Borough:
Address: Priory Road, Hampton (Middlesex), Hampton
County: Surrey



Regards Vera

the names look familiar have we looked him up before??

Is this him in 1901?

LORENZ, Edmund Head Widower M 43 1858 Fruiterer & Florist Prussia (German Subject)
LORENZ, Herbert Son Single M 14 1887 Beeston, Nottinghamshire
LORENZ, Franciska Daughter Single F 13 1888 Beeston, Nottinghamshire
LORENZ, Jessie Daughter Single F 10 1891 Prussia
LORENZ, Dorothea Daughter Single F 6 1895 Stoke on Trent
LORENZ, Cyril Son Single M 4 1897 Hampton, Middlesex

Piece: 671 Folio: 72 Page: 34
Registration District: Kingston
Civil Parish: Hampton (Middlesex)

Address: Priory Road, Hampton (Middlesex), Hampton County: Surrey