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That would be why I couldn't find it! I use Ancestry - might subscribe to FMP now then too!

Thank you!

FMP is Find My Past. I was using Ancestry and cannot find that 1861 census, even with all those details supplied, so think something is missing from Ancestry.

Added:
Snappish.
Yes, It is not there.

FindMyPast.

I see what you mean,patchem!!!

Maureen

What is FMP?

Hi Patchem,
Yes-it's from FMP.

Maureen

Maureen,
Is that census from FMP, because I still cannot find it on ancestry even with all those details?

There's a marriage on Family Search for James Smith and Janet Ritchie in 1850 that looks promising.


"Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," Catherine Smith, 1858
name: Catherine Smith
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 07 Jan 1858
birthplace: BRIDGETON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
father's name: James Smith
mother's name: Janet Ritchie
indexing project (batch) number: C11920-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

Maureen

Wow you are all amazing!

1861 census transcription details for: 28, Malvern Place, Keighley

RG number: RG09
Piece: 3227
Folio: 40
Page: 27
Reg. District: Keighley
Sub District: 2 Keighley
Parish: Keighley
Enum. District: 32
Ecclesiastical District: Eastwood
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, Malvern Place, Keighley
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
SMITH, James Head Married M 37 1824 Worsted Pattern Weaver
Scotland
SMITH, Janet Wife Married F 32 1829
Scotland
SMITH, David Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Scotland
SMITH, Andrew Son M 7 1854
Scotland
SMITH, William Son M 5 1856
Scotland
SMITH, Catherina Daughter F 3 1858
Scotland
SMITH, James Son M 0 (7M) 1861
York Keighley

Maureen

I think Jane (the step-mother) was a Bottomley. This looks like The "sister" in 1871:
Marriages Mar 1859
Bottomley Martha Skipton 9a 46
Heaton Peter Skipton 9a 46

So probably:
Marriages Jun 1869
BOTTOMLEY Jane Skipton 9a 56
Smith James Skipton 9a 56

Maureen

If the 1871 census is the correct one, you do not know if all the children born in Yorkshire are children of Father James, or whether Jane had been married before, and some of the children took on his name for the 1871 census.
So we do not know if the family were in Scotland or England for 1861.
Have you applied for any other birth or marriage certificates?

Added:
Births Dec 1869
Smith John Bottomley Skipton 9a 34

??
Marriages Jun 1869
BOTTOMLEY Jane Skipton 9a 56
Smith James Skipton 9a 56

same family in 1881

1881 Census Household Record Household information
Address 21, Skipton Road
Parish Steeton With Eastburn
District Keighley, Keighley
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Householder 1
Name James Smith
Age 54
Estimated Year of Birth 1827
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Designer Unemployed (Worsted)
Birth Place Paisley, Scotland
Birth County

Householder 2
Name Jane Smith
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1837
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Designers Wife
Birth Place Crosshills Kildwick
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 3
Name Katherine Smith
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1858
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Worsted Weaver
Birth Place Glasgow, Scotland
Birth County

Householder 4
Name James Smith
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Teacher Assistant Master (Sch)
Birth Place Keighley
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 5
Name Isabel Smith
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1863
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Worsted Weaver
Birth Place Keighley Long Lee
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 6
Name Frances Smith
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1866
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Worsted Weaver
Birth Place Keighley Long Lee
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 7
Name John B Smith
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Crosshills Kildwick
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 8
Name Polly Smith
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Halifax
Birth County Yorkshire

Victor Ritchie Smith
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Cambridge Ely,? Cambridgeshire
census: 1911 Sutton,? Sutton,? Surrey,? England


name: Victor Ritchie Smith
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 8
birthplace: Cambridge Ely, Cambridgeshire
record type: Household
registration district: Epsom
sub-district: Carshalton
parish: Sutton
county: Surrey

Just to point out that in 1911 there is another Andrew Smith born 1854 from Glasgow, single, living in Liverpool, so do not confuse.

Just posting the 1871
Andrew Smith Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Smith Mother's name: Jane Smith
Gender: Male Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Glusburn Ecclesiastical parish: Sutton County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Skipton Sub-registration district: Kildwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 37 Piece: 4264 Folio: 44 Page Number: 7
James Smith 45
Jane Smith 36 Crosshills, Yorkshire
Andrew Smith 17
William Smith 15 Scotland
Catherine Smith 13 Scotland
James Smith 10 Yorkshire
Isabella Smith 8
Frances Smith 5
John B Smith 1
Martha Henton 37 sister widow Yorkshire
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4264; Folio: 44; Page: 7; GSU roll: 846966.

The marriage

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Andrew Ritchie Smith Name: Andrew Ritchie Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Registration district: Keighley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 344
Married
Diana Louisa Rowlands

If you order his Marriage cert that will give you his Fathers name.

Hi this looks like his wife in 1901

1901 Census Household Record Household information
Address Stanley House Dyserth Rd
Civil Parish Rhuddlan
Rural District St Asaph Flint
Town or Village or Hamlet Rhuddlan
Ecclesiastical Parish Rhuddlan
Parliamentary Borough or Division Rhuddlan
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Flint

Householder 1
Name Florence M Growentt
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Rhyl Flintshire
Language English
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Mary A Growentt
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 56
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Living On Own Means
Employment Status
Where Born Sedgrley Parish Staffordshire
Language English
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Sarah E Growentt
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Rhyl Flintshire
Language English
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Louisa D Smith
Relation to Head of Family Visitor
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 31
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Living On Own Means
Employment Status
Where Born Rhyl Flintshire
Language English
Infirmity

He married in Keighley, Yorkshire which is where the 1971 census record I think is his is from.

Hi

I'm really struggling to trace this one!

He was born C.1854 Glasgow, Renfrewshire
I've got him in the 1911 Census:
23 Parkhurst Road, Sutton, Surrey, EnglandOccupation: Retired Army Officer Lecturer Residing with wife & child
His son Victor Ritchie SMITH was born in 1903 in Ely Cambridgeshire.
He married Louisa Dianah ROWLANDS in Jun Qtr 1892.
I think I have him in the 1871 Census:
Main Street, Crosshills, Glusburn, Yorkshire, EnglandOccupation: Weftman Residing with father, step mother, siblings & half-siblings.
(This census shows that his father was from Scotland and 3 children were born there, then moved to Yorkshire married and had more kids. The son James (half brother to Andrew Ritchie goes on to name one of his son's Andrew Ritchie)
Its a guess at the moment - I've ordered the marriage certificate to see if it has the fathers details on.

I can't find him in the 1861, 1881, 1891 or 1901 Censuses
Can anyone help??
Could it be due to him being in the Army?

Many thanks,

Katie