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I'm trying to find out where John Aspinwall, weaver, residing in Pilkington St, Bolton according to 1841 census originated. The census records he was living with a wife Rebecca, one step daughter and two children, Ann Aspinwall and John Aspinwall. A second son William Aspinwall was born 4 years later. I can't seem to find any record of John Aspinwall's marriage or baptism details for his children.

Any help gratefully appreciated.

Chris

1851 England Census
about John Aspinwall
Name: John Aspinwall
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rebecca Aspinwall
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Gt Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Bolton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emanuel
Town: Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1u
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 2210
Folio: 614
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
John Aspinwall 43
Rebecca Aspinwall 43
Ellen Polit 18
Ann Aspinwall 12
John Aspinwall 10
William Aspinwall 6

Thanks, I was already aware of this information. It doesn't shed much light as to where John Aspinwall came from. I want to go back from before 1841 and locate his marriage record and baptism details.

I Know you were aware but you did not give any births years away so anyone could attempt to search for them

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sylvia

The 1851 census says which parish he claims he was born in.I don't know how much more specific result you were expecting.

His marr record is easy, but since it was either a rego office marr, or a non-conformist marr that the registrar had to attend so they could sign his official register, you'll need to purchase the m.cert from either Bolton or the GRO.


Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ASPINALL John POLLITT Rebecca Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/2/57

Most local indexes use the entry # in the ref for marrs (so one knows who wed whom, even pre-1912), but for B's & D's the might use the local page # or the entry #. These local regos always had 5 entries per page and 100 pages in a rego. So we know John's ref below is an entry #,and it reveals the index compiler couldn't decide whether Rebecca's MS was Polllitt or Martin, so they had to index both names. With John's step-daur named on census, sort of a big hint her MS was really Martin, eh.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ASPINWALL John Eastern Bolton Bolton MARTIN EB/6/336
ASPINWALL John Eastern Bolton Bolton POLLITT EB/6/336

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ASPINWALL Thomas Eastern Bolton Bolton MARTIN EB/10/169

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ASPINWALL William Eastern Bolton Bolton MARTIN EB/12/47


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
ASPINWALL Thomas 0 Eastern Bolton Bolton EB/7/436

Seems a bit odd? Did Rebecca marry bigamously as this looks like it could be her daughter in 1841 and Rebecca is with John in the 1841 census?


1841 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Pollett
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton East
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 534
Book: 12
Folio: 4
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Pollett 35
Elizabeth Pollett 9
Hannah Pollett 7
Ellen Pollett 3


Then this death is possibly the William above, which might explain why Elizabeth is with her mother in 1851? Little Ellen seems to be in service with a Silverwood family in 1851, not looked for Hannah as yet


Deaths Dec 1842
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POLLITT William Bolton 21 116


Just speculation at the moment but it might be worth having a dig around?

Be interested to see his death certificate!

Great Bolton was a township of the civil and ecclesiastical parish of Bolton le Moors in the Salford hundred of Lancashire.
Not to be confused with the town of Bolton

The 1841 I posted for the Pollet family is the same place/district that John and Rebecca are living in


1841 England Census
Name: John Aspinwall
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton East
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 534
Book: 6
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
John Aspinwall 30
Rebecca Aspinwall 30


I wasnt confused over the district/parish

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

ASPINWALL Ann Little Bolton Bolton>>MMN MATHER LB/5/275


This looks like Ann who is on the 1851 census that Jax posted, so her mother looks to be born Rebecca Mather


Edit: Or looking at Malcolms post, I wonder if Mather should be Martin :-S

Gins

I think it likely that that Ann is the daughter of this couple as the Ann in the census would have been born before 1840

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ASPINALL William MATHER Selina Bolton, St Peter Bolton 18/3/100

possible alternative - born to a 1st wife of John's???

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
ASPINALL Ann Westhoughton Bolton ASPINALL WH/1/51

Could be Ann

Or could she have been a Pollitt and turned Aspinwall


These Ann's are so much trouble ;-)

thanks Gins - I will take that comment in the spirit which I hope it was meant! Always did like playing devil's advocate :-P :-) :-)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838 ?????
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
POLLITT Ann Western Bolton Bolton POLLITT WB/3/55

There is also an Ann on family search baptised 5-8-1838 at St Peter's Bolton - daughter of a John & Alice

I don't have access to see the actual relationships on the 1851

1841 England Census
about Ann Pollet
Name: Ann Pollet
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bolton Le Moors
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Great Bolton East
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 534
Book: 6
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Pollet 10
Ann Pollet 2
John Pollet 3 Mo


Also John and Rebecca Aspinwall (same 1841 as above) the children have been listed separately but in the same house!

Cant see an Ann Pollitt with Alice and John?

Im wondering if Rebecca had Ann Pollitt and ran off and left William?


:-D

Mike - you're right - my post was sloppily worded. Great Bolton didn't start getting parishes until the 1840s, and then they were named after the church (e.g., Emanuel as in 1851).
Back in 1808, Gt Bolton was part of the one ancient parish - Bolton-le-Moors - whose parish church (St Peters) was in Gt Bolton.
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Bolton-le-Moors/images/Bolton.jpg
The 2 townships, Great & Little Bolton are seperated by the R Croal
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/115165

LanAnn - I don't have access either, but when jax gives the census ref [ho107/2210/614/16] I can enter that on Ancestry's old style search, and guess the relationships in turn (Head, Wife, Stepdaughter, Daughter, Son, Son).
This time it was slightly more complicated, as only John is on page 16, the rest are on page 17.
The next page will have the same folio #, or else one higher - this time it's ho107/2210/614/17.
I can just leave the page off and search both pages of folio 614 at once.
I can also try to guess pob - they're all born in Lancs, and John & the 3 young kids are all born in Gt Bolton. (Guessing Bolton gets Little Bolton hits also).
I don't know where Rebecca and Ellen were born.


Guessing Stepdaughter gets
Name Parent or Spouse Names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence View Image
Ellen Polit name abt 1833 location Stepdaughter city, Lancashire

Guessing Daughter gets
Name Parent or Spouse Names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence View Image
Ann Aspinwall name,name abt 1839 location Daughter city, Lancashire
Ellen Polit name abt 1833 location Stepdaughter (Daughter) city, Lancashire


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
ASPINWALL Rebecca 48 Eastern Bolton Bolton EB/26/141

Seeing as their marr is recorded in the registrar's own rego, maybe it was an RC marr (like my Aspinall's in Wigan, just down the road). Since RC regos are less well covered, maybe this is why there's bother locating hits for them.

Many thanks for all the information. I will apply for a copy of John & Rebecca's marriage certificate. I have traced all the family baptisms for the family from William forward on the excellent Lancashire on line website. I was having difficulty tracing John and the 1851 census lists Rebecca as having come from Holloway?, Lancashire. I'm not sure about the religious denomination of John and his immediate family. I do know that William married into a Methodist family (Rushforth) and this branch of the family were connected with Fletcher St, Methodist Church, Bolton up to the 1920s. It was my grandfather's generation that seemed to have moved about the most as he died in South Africa.

mgnv - thanks for that info. I will try that another time

Chris - pre 1898, it wasn' just RCs. Only C of E, jews & quakers (plus the registrars) were trusted to keep official marr regos. If you had a non-conformist marr, then the registrar had to attend with his official register.
This changed in 1898, and others were approved to keep official regos (except RCs, who only got approval in the 1980s).
I'm wondering if Holloway is a mistranscription of Halliwell, just NW of Bolton town. I can see how a double l might be thought to be the forks of the y, especially if the supposed descender of the y is obscured/supplied by an ascender on the following line. (I don't have easy access to the image).

Halliwell was a parish by the 1850s, but in 1808, I think it was just a chapelry in the parish of Deane.