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I am trying to find a Glen O'kaloff in the records, it could be that he was from the carribean/West Indies, was in london around 1961, I have tried birth records, shipping logs but to joy. So either this person does not exist or there is no record of him anywhere, he shows up as father on a birth certificate, thats all I know.
Can anyone help ?

Paul, without giving anything else away, was the child called by the same surname? If not, are you 100% sure of what it says?
Jan

What is your connection to him?

There only 1 child born of that name (that I can see). What leads you to believe he was from the Carribean/West Indies?

Nobody with that surname registered to vote showing in the London electoral registers.

Nobody of that surname listed amongst the incoming passenger lists (Up to 1960) either.

Have you got the marriage certificate of the person whose birth certificate you have? That hopefully should also give a fathers name as an accuracy reference check.

yes there is only one child, the name of the father is the same on the certificate, due to other documents we can confirm it's West Indies/ Carribean, the mother & father never married. wE have details on the mothers side but nothing on the fathers side except name on birth certificate and other documents I can't go into on here.

Do you know when and where he was last seen? I must say, the name is very unusual, it's almost as if apart from these 2 people nobody else has it!
Jan

What other documents do you have, can you give example without giving too much away?

I also dont see the birth of the child in the Mothers name, which it should be , if they were not married.

Any idea how old he was when he fathered the child?

Hi Penny
We have no idea how old this person is ? The mother was white and the child is mixed raced and on a social worker & health records it is down as father being carribean/west indies. I been searching everything & anything there isn't even an history of the surname on google, either he don't exist or doesn't want to be found, I've tried even merchant navy records in case he was a sailor who often visited london

...Yet he is mentioned by name on the birth certificate. Does it note that he also signed the register? ie. was present at the registration.

Gwyn

I agree, there is no sign of this surname anywhere else. It looks as if it might have been an assumed name, or so completely mis-spelled it can't be matched to anything.
Do you mind if I ask your connection to this person?
Jan

I was thinking that if he signed the register himself, it may be possible to view the actual book and see the original record to judge whether the spelling could be different there.

Gwyn

1) If it was the mother who registered the birth and pronounced herself Mrs OKaloff, formerly (Maiden name) even if she was not married then that would most likely be accepted by the registrar as being true. In that circumstance the birth would only appear once in the index under the name OKaloff.

2) It appears that the child married under that surname and presumably was brought up using or aware of it.

It would not be unusual at that time for the mother to have declared herself married .....................

I had a friend at university who had dropped out of one university, lived with a man of Arab background for approximately 2 years, then he had left the UK, not taking her with him, and she was accepted in "our" university.


Two very unusual circumstances re the universities involved there

but she had received letters addressed to Mrs xxxxx ........... so was registered in some places as married, even though no marriage ceremony had taken place.




sylvia

Paul, can I ask how you are attached to this name?
As is mentioned above, The dau appears to use the surname , or at least marry using it, Given the circumstances I would have said it unusual for Dau to use it and not her mother as well.

Is her mother still alive? Does she use the surname or did she revert to her 'maiden' name?

I suppose it is perfectly feasable to turn up, get a girl pregnant, then disppear and re-invent yourself ( another name) or indeed uses a false one for the whole she-bang.

THis maybe one of those things that simpy cannot be traced

note: daughters birth and marriage are Okaloff ,( no apostophy)

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Just in case...

Maurice Kaloff
Electoral Year:1890
Parliamentary Division:Finsbury, Holborn

The daughter is a relative of my wife, her mother died, but carried on using her maiden name, as far as we know she never married at all. On the daughters original birth certificate it's O'lakoff but on her copy it's Olakoff. The daughter was always known as by her mother's surname and only used it when she got married. I think like many that it was a name made up, as I know for a fact she gave a false address on another siblings birth certificate.

Olakoff or O'kaloff / Okaloff ....or something else?

OLa or OKa - you have used both.

Just for confirmation- the dau name does begin with J - yes?

So did ''the girl with an untracable father'' have siblings? presumably half siblings - they used mothers name ( maiden name- the name that was given on J's birth reg, as MMN?) otherwise who/what /when was a false address given?

Sorry it is definately O'kaloff/okaloff
The girl in question does have siblings but no father on their birth cert, the last sibling born, had the false address on as the police tried to reach the mum there, but no one had heard of her mother at the address given on sibling's birth certificate. All siblings were given mothers maiden name

There seems to be a chemist with that name who has a volumetric analysis method named after them.
There is also apparently a Russian prince called Demidofi Okaloff.

thanks Janice it just seems a strange name to make up