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16 Aug 2012 14:28 |
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Ok Lets try and sort it out.
William Watt and Magdalen Greenshields married in Edinburgh 4 Jun 1854 Most Scottish births up until 1875 can be found on Family Search
Children of William and Magdalen: ( All born in Edinburgh) Agnes Watt b 18 Oct 1855 Richard Watt b 4 Mar 1860 *** James Archibald Sidney Watt b 5 Oct 1862 William Watt b 2 Feb 1865 Robert Ramage Foster Watt b 5 Mar 1867 David Watt 4 Sep 1869 Jessie Knox Watt b 17 Jun 1862 Williamina Pottinger Watt b 20 May 1874 John Watt bc 1876
Then Richard, son of William and Magdalen Richard Watt married Margaret Munro in 1885 Children found on census records: ( all have Edinburgh as place of birth)
Rose F Watt bc 1885 William G Watt bc 1889 Richard F Watt bc 1894 Fraser Munro Watt b 1900
Edit: After Magdalen and William married, Magdalen's parents Richard and Agnes ( Douglas) Greenshields moved to London with some of their other children. They are found in London from 1861 onwards.
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sarah
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16 Aug 2012 12:53 |
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Hi, thank you so much for all your help. Can you help me out again? I am really in a muddle!!! Fraser 1900 siblings were Rose, William and Richard. parents Richard and Margaret. then i have Magadlene as the mother of Richard with William, Robert, David, Jessie and John as the siblings? I can't work it out in my head? sarah x
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15 Aug 2012 20:46 |
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Sarah, It looks as if Richard Greenshields and Agnes Douglas moved to London. Agnes was on the 1851 census in Edinburgh, but no husband in household.
Then, in 1861...
1861 England Census about Agnes Greenshield Name: Agnes Greenshield Age:55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name: Richard Greenshield Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Household schedule number: 251 Piece: 85 Folio:40 Page Number: 39 15 UPPER CHARLTON STREET Household Members: Name Richard Greenshield 54 B Scotland. Occ: Cabinet Maker Agnes Greenshield 55 wife James Greenshield 21 son B Scotland. Pianoforte Maker Mary A Greenshield 5 g/daughter B Middlesex
Richard dies 1866
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Richard Greenshields Name: Richard Greenshields Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1866 Age at Death: 59 Registration district: Marylebone Inferred County: London Volume: 1a
1871 1871 England Census about Agnes Greenshields Name:Agnes Greenshields Age 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Edinboro Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: All Souls ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 262 Piece: 152 Folio:24 Page Number:41 12 GEORGE STREET Household Members:Name
Agnes Greenshields 63 b Edinburgh Agnes Greenshields 40 daughter b Edinburgh Magdalin Greenshields 15 Grand daughter b Marleybone
I cannot locate a death for Agnes Greenshields b circa 1808, but there is one for the other Agnes Greenshields b 1832. She died in London in 1896.
Information overload: James Greenshields bc 1839, Piano Maker He married Caroline Judith Neal in St Pancras in 1873
The relevant census data is available if required
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sarah
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15 Aug 2012 03:27 |
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Thank you both so much, you have done more in one evening than I have in a year. Please if you find anything else out please let me know. Muchly appreciated Sarah
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GlasgowLass
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14 Aug 2012 23:47 |
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Sarah, Sorry I missed your question and confusion above, before I added my bit. This is the descendency leading to Fraser Munro Watt b 1900 I hope this makes it easier
Richard Greenshields and Agnes Douglas married in Edinburgh 23 Nov 1829. Daughter Magdalena Greenshields b 17 Apr 1834 married William WATT on 4 June 1854 Their son Richard WATT b 4 Mar 1860 married Margaret MUNRO in Edinburgh 1884 and... their son FRASER MUNRO WATT was born in Edinburgh 1900 and married Ivy May Fahey
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14 Aug 2012 23:22 |
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Magdalen Greenshields born 17 Apr 1834 in Edinburgh. Parents: Richard Greenshields and Agnes Douglas who married in St Cuthberts, Edinburgh on 23 Nov 1829
1851 Scotland Census about Magdalen Greenshields Name: Magdalen Greenshields Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relationship: Daughter Mother's Name: Agnes Greenshields Gender: Female Where born: Edinburgh Parish Number: 685/1 Civil parish: Edinburgh Old Church County: Midlothian Address: 28 High Street Fountain Close Occupation: Seamstress ED: 12 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 52 Line: 18 Roll: CSSCT1851_178 Household Members: Name Age Agnes Greenshields 48 Agnes Greenshields 19 Magdalen Greenshields 17 Margaret Greenshields 14 James Greenshields 12
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14 Aug 2012 23:05 |
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Sarah, The Scottish Census data for the Watt family provided by PricklyHolly will be correct. You mentioned Frazer Munro Watt.
The 1891 and 1901 returns refer to Richard Watt and Margret MUNRO who married in St George, Midlothian in 1884. It would be advisable to obtain the marriage cert from Scotlands People to confirm, but it looks like Richard was born in Edinburgh 4 Mar 1860. Parents: William Watt and Magdalena Greenshield who married in Edinburgh 4 Jun 1854.... which also concurs with the earlier census data.
The births of their children can be found in family search
( info also reflects birth of William Greenshields Watt also found by PricklyHolly)
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sarah
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14 Aug 2012 22:28 |
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Sorry, I'm a little confused! Richard and Margaret had Fraser, Rose, William and Fraser. But this Magadlene had Richard with Richard and then William and Magdaline got together is that how you read it?
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sarah
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14 Aug 2012 22:17 |
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Thank you for your help
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 21:18 |
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According to a tree on Ancestry, the Mother of Richard Watt is Madeline Greenshields.
Richard's son William G Watt..........is apparently....William Greenshields Watt.
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 19:51 |
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??
Possibly...
1881 Scotland Census about Richard Watt Name: Richard Watt Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relationship: Son Mother's Name: Magadlene Watt Gender: Male Where born: Edinburgh, St George Registration Number: 685/1 Registration district: St George Civil parish: St George Town: Edinburgh County: Midlothian Address: 2 Cheyne Street Occupation: Baker ED: 116 Household schedule number: 15 Line: 3 Roll: cssct1881_283 Household Members: Name Age Magadlene Watt 47 Richard Watt 20 William Watt 16 Robert Watt 14 David Watt 11 Jessie Watt 9 John Watt 5 Margaret McDermon 84 1871 Scotland Census about Richard Watt Name: Richard Watt Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship: Son Father's Name: William Watt Mother's Name: Magdaline Watt Gender: Male Where born: Edinburgh Registration Number: 685/1 Registration district: St George Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: 12 Allan Street Occupation: Scholar ED: 100 Household schedule number: 93 Line: 15 Roll: CSSCT1871_157 Household Members: Name Age William Watt 38 Magdaline Watt 37 Agnes Watt 15 Charles Watt 73 Richard Watt 11 James Watt 8 William Watt 6 Robert Watt 4 David Watt 1 1861 Scotland Census about Richard Watt Name: Richard Watt Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relationship: Son Father's Name: William Watt Mother's Name: Magdalena Watt Gender: Male Where born: Edinburgh Registration Number: 685/1 Registration district: St George Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: 14 Allan Street ED: 84 Household schedule number: 55 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1861_125 Household Members: Name Age William Watt 27 Magdalena Watt 26 Agnes Watt 5 Charles Watt 3 Richard Watt 6
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sarah
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14 Aug 2012 19:39 |
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you are brilliant, thank you so much!!
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 19:39 |
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1891 Scotland Census about Rose Watt Name: Rose Watt Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Richd Watt Mother's Name: Margaret Watt Gender: Female Where born: Edinburgh Registration Number: 685A/2 Registration district: St George Burgh Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: 14 Dean St Occupation: Scholar ED: 21 Household schedule number: 21 Line: 2 Roll: CSSCT1891_334 Household Members: Name Age Richd Watt 31 Margaret Watt 25 Rose Watt 6 Wm Watt 3
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 19:27 |
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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Ivy May Watt Name: Ivy May Watt Birth Date: 14 Jul 1904 Date of Registration: Jan 1995 Age at Death: 90 Registration district: Lincoln Inferred County: Lincolnshire Register Number: B48C District and Subdistrict: 6191B Entry number: 70
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 19:20 |
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Looking at the image of the 1911 census, John Fahey was born in Bath IRELAND.
Maybe they married in Ireland?
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 19:07 |
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According to the 1911 census, John and Honora had been married for 7 years. I am not seeing an appropriate marriage that fits with that!
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 18:51 |
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I found the above info on Ancestry.
For Scotland records you need the "Scotlands People" site. You need to buy credits to be able to view the records.
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PricklyHolly
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14 Aug 2012 18:47 |
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Household transcription 1911 census Person: FAHEY, Ivy May Address: 9 Napier Street Lincoln
FAHEY, John Head Married7 years M 32 1879 Core Maker Iron Bath VIEW FAHEY, Honora Wife Married F 26 1885 Lincoln VIEW FAHEY, Ivy May F 7 1904 Lincoln VIEW FAHEY, Richard Wright M 5 1906 Lincoln VIEW FAHEY, Tomas Leonard M 4 1907 Lincoln VIEW FAHEY, Robert Farence M 2 1909 Lincoln VIEW SHAW, Jessie Boarder Married M 32 1879 Foundry Labour Saxilby VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 19758 Reference: RG14PN19758 RG78PN1182 RD418 SD2 ED39 SN105 Registration District: Lincoln Sub District: Lincoln Home Enumeration District: 39 Parish: Lincoln Address: 9 Napier Street Lincoln County: Lincolnshire
(4 children born, 3 living, 1 had died)
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sarah
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14 Aug 2012 18:46 |
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wow, your good!! where do I access this information from
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14 Aug 2012 18:45 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ivy May Fahey Name: Ivy May Fahey Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1904 Registration district: Lincoln Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 520
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