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Hi There

I'm hoping some kind person could please see if they can find the following marriage and death records:-

PUGH Georgina A. born 1906 Youngstown, Ohio - marriage and death record.
PUGH Vivian Harold born 6 Jan 1896 Youngstown, Ohio - Marriage record.
PUGH John E. born c1922 Youngstown, Ohio - Birth & Marriage record
PUGH Sarah Martha died c1937 Ohio - Death Record
PUGH Reginald John died c1942 Ohio - Death Record.

I've only been able to find 3 children for Reginald and Sarah PUGH but on a census record it says she gave birth to 6 children.....if someone has time could they please see if you have better luck than me at finding the other birth records.

I would really appreciate the records being emailed to me if possible so I can attach them to my tree so am happy to give you my email address if you PM me.

Really appreciate your help :-)

Kind Regards

Tracy (New Zealand)
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This family may also have extended family by the name of Williams staying with them.

You have a well documented tree on Ancestry, so you have presumably searched all records on there.

https://www.familysearch.org have several data sets for Ohio vital records. Have you explored all of those?

This link gives suggestions and guidance where other records can be found. some you have to pay for, others you don't.

http://www.genealogybranches.com/ohio.html

Thanks for your advice Detective :-)

I've spent hours searching for records for different branches of this family so thought I would see if someone else had any luck.....don't want to be a nuisance, just thought I would ask and see what replies I got for the records I couldn't find.

Kind regards
Tracy

The WW1 draft you attached for Vivian Harold Pugh show him to be still single on 5 Jun 1917, so any marriage is after that date.

He is single and with his parents on 9 Jan 1920, but married by 14 Apr 1930.
In the 1930 census he and Frances say they have been married for 10 years (deducting age of 1st marriage from their ages then) so they must have married 1920/21. Of course, that's assuming they did!
Their son John Edward is 8 in 1930, presuming a birth 1922, and conception 1921 (ish)

You're not a nuisance - someone with detailed knowledge of Ohio records may be able to help!

Have you looked for Obits as they sometimes give marriage dates?

Although you are looking for specifics, there are sometimes birth and death dates on gravestones - http://www.findagrave.com/ is a good source.

Married females often have their maiden name as a middle name which might help somewhere along the line

Thanks Detective :-)

Will go back and see if any of your advice helps...or buy new glasses lol :-)

Kind Regards
Tracy

Hang on - found a site with Ohio Death Certificate indexes!

Its got this one and may be some of the others

PUGH, Reginald John Death date: 9/3/1942, Mahoning County
Certificate #54978

http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/death/

PUGH, Sarah M. Death date: 12/5/1937, Mahoning County
Certificate #77562

Don't forget the US format of mm/dd/yyyy

Thanks Again Detective :-) :-)

Must add that Ohio Death Certificate website to my list of resources.

Of to go through it...Bye for now :-)

Mostly gotten from various collections at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES


name: Reginal J Pugh
residence: , Mahoning, Ohio
estimated birth year: 1866
age: 54
birthplace: England
relationship to head of household: Self
gender: Male
race: White
marital status: Married
father's birthplace: England
mother's birthplace: England
film number: 1821415
digital folder number: 4384972
image number: 00898
sheet number: 7
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Reginal J Pugh M 54y England
wife Sarah M Pugh F 53y England
son Vivian H Pugh M 23y Ohio
dau Emily C Pugh F 22y Ohio
dau Georgina A Pugh F 14y Ohio
Source Citation
"United States Census, 1920," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MD1M-B2Z : accessed 26 Aug 2012), Reginal J Pugh, , Mahoning, Ohio; citing enumeration district (ED) , sheet 7A, family 156, NARA microfilm publication T625, FHL microfilm 1821415.

name: J Reginald Pugh
event: Census
event date: 1930
event place: Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio
gender: Male
age:
marital status: Married
race: White
birthplace: England
estimated birth year:
immigration year: 1889 [1887]
relationship to head of household: Head
father's birthplace: England
mother's birthplace: England
enumeration district number: 0063
family number: 230
sheet number and letter: 10B
line number: 98
nara publication: T626, roll 1846
film number: 2341580
digital folder number: 4639665
image number: 00529
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head J Reginald Pugh M England
wife Sarah Pugh F 62 England
[addy=441 Carroll St Youngstown OH]

Magnify 4 clicks, then save image
http://archive.org/stream/12thcensusofpopu1300unit#page/n857/mode/1up
[addy=77 E Myrtle Ave Youngstown Mahoning Co OH; marr 12 y; 6 births 2 living(Viv, Em) Williams (Wm+Minnie) in previous h/h @ #73]
http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po1235unit#page/n1114/mode/1up
[Emily C a=12 addy=119 Mechanic St Niles City Trumball Co OH]
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1415unit#page/n895/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1415unit#page/n896/mode/1up
http://archive.org/stream/ohiocensus00reel1846#page/n525/mode/1up
[addy=441 Carroll St Youngstown OH]
Youngstown is abt 10km from the OH-PA state line, and Niles is 12km to NW.
http://archive.org/stream/ohiocensus00reel1846#page/n977/mode/1up
[addy=478 Ferndale Ave Youngstown OH]

name: R J Pugh
titles & terms:
event: Census
event year: 1940
event place: Ward 5, Youngstown City, Youngstown City, Mahoning, Ohio, United States
gender: Male
age: 75
marital status: Widowed
race (original): White
race (standardized): White
relationship to head of household (original): Father-in-law
relationship to head of household (standardized): Father-in-law
birthplace: England
estimated birth year: 1865
residence in 1935: Same House
enumeration district number: 96-88
family number: 48
sheet number and letter: 3A
line number: 32
nara publication number: T627
nara roll number: 3271
digital folder number: 005460418
image number: 00042
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Paul Gilmore M 35 South Carolina
wife Jean Gilmore F 35 Ohio
son Richard Gilmore M 6 Ohio
father-in-law R J Pugh M 75 England
lodger John Allan M 40 Scotland
Source Citation
"United States Census, 1940," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KWDW-KD7 : accessed 26 Aug 2012), R J Pugh in household of Paul Gilmore, Ward 5, Youngstown City, Youngstown City, Mahoning, Ohio, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 96-88, sheet 3A, family 48, NARA digital publication T627, roll 3271.

[there's a link to image just left of transcription - Paul is line 29, so check footer - addy=411 Carroll(rented)]


name: Reginald J Pugh
event: Death
event date: 03 Sep 1942
event place: Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio, United States
residence: Ohio
page number: 1376

original source file:
source: Ohio Department of Health
Source Citation
"Ohio, Death Index, 1908-1932, 1938-1944, and 1958-2007," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VKPP-KV1 : accessed 26 Aug 2012), Reginald J Pugh, 1942; citing "Ohio, Deaths," Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : 2012); vol. , certificate no. , Ohio Department of Health.


first name: Paul
middle name:
last name: Gilmore
name suffix:
birth date: 3 November 1907
social security number: 298-09-8948
place of issuance: Ohio
last residence: Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio
zip code of last residence: 44502
death date: May 1970
estimated age at death: 63
Source Citation
"United States Social Security Death Index," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JRJF-2QQ : accessed 26 Aug 2012), Paul Gilmore, May 1970; citing U.S. Social Security Administration, Death Master File, database (Alexandria, Virginia: National Technical Information Service, ongoing).

maybe
first name: Jennie
middle name:
last name: Gilmore
name suffix:
birth date: 5 November 1908
social security number: 300-16-0057
place of issuance: Ohio
last residence:
zip code of last residence:
death date: November 1965
estimated age at death: 57
Source Citation
"United States Social Security Death Index," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J1HP-32J : accessed 26 Aug 2012), Jennie Gilmore, November 1965; citing U.S. Social Security Administration, Death Master File, database (Alexandria, Virginia: National Technical Information Service, ongoing).


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This looks interesting, but I don't have an Ancestry sub:

Exact Search Results - New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name Arrival Date Birth Year Port of Departure Ethnicity/ Nationality Ship Name View Ship Image View Passenger List
Reginald J Pugh 1898 year location race ship name

Thanks Heaps mgnv :-)

You're a legend...your info has helped answer a few questions.

Paul Gilmore's wife was Reginald Pugh's daughter whose real name was Georgina so am guessing it was shortened to Jean. Will see if I can find a marriage and death record for her now that I know where to look...fingers crossed :-)

Have a great week!!! ;-)

Hi mgnv

Could you please do me huge favour and copy a link to the next page of the 1930 Census you sent me for the Pugh's...the Paul Gilmore at bottom of page is the husband of Reg Pugh's daughter Georgina so am guessing Georgina (Jean) and perhaps children are on the next page.

Kind regards
Tracy

Can anyone help please :-)

The original posting was:
http://archive.org/stream/ohiocensus00reel1846#page/n525/mode/1up

There's two ways - go to the original page and use the right clicker in the lower right corner.

Alternatively, edit the URL to show the next page =526 instead of 525 - i.e.,
http://archive.org/stream/ohiocensus00reel1846#page/n526/mode/1up

Actually, you can do this in other cases too. E.g.,
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008169521.pdf

That was an 1881 Canadian census page I looked up for another thread - family 179 the Scheick family, nowadays spelled Sheik. However, suppose I was interested in family 188 - the Clayton family. This continues on the next page:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008169522.pdf
(One of the family's named Clayton, so he would be findable by conventional means here.)

Here's the geeky explanation - say I look up Reg in US 1920 at
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

I posted the hit above - the key bits are:
name: Reginal J Pugh
residence: , Mahoning, Ohio
film number: 1821415
image number: 00898

Now I go to http://archive.org/details/1920_census and click on Ohio.
I know the last 3 digits of the FS film # match the last 3 digits of the NARA reel # - 1415 in this case, so I click on that link, then the "read online" link which gets me to:
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1415unit#page/n0/mode/2up

Now I change the page # and the upness - the obvious page to try is 898, so
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1415unit#page/n898/mode/1up
It's the wrong page (I usually need to go a couple of pages smaller).
Anyways, I pick some name on the page, say line 80:
name: Frank Randolph
residence: , Mahoning, Ohio
film number: 1821415
image number: 00901

Now, we see we're 3 pages too high, so we want:
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1415unit#page/n895/mode/1up
and the following page:
http://archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu1415unit#page/n896/mode/1up

1930 is similar except the key info is:
name: J Reginald Pugh
event place: Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio
nara publication: T626, roll 1846
image number: 00529
and we start at http://archive.org/details/1930_census - big surprise.

FS doesn't give enough info for 1910, so that gets really geeky

OMG!!! You are so onto it with finding records...just about had a brain fart reading what you wrote but will endeavour to go through what you've written slowly and hopefully get the write page lol :-)

Thanks for taking the time to help me learn something new :-)

Cheers
Tracy

Pssst!!! I did it both ways you explained above...THANKS!!