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Horrace, I'm the person Chris is talking about - I've messaged you. Please check your inbox :-)






Waves to Chris~

No problem Horrace, just happen to know someone, who shares Thomas Turner in their 'Tree' (being his Brother Robert) lol.

Chris :)

Hi Chris,

Thank you for this new information. I shall surely keep it , just in case it proves to be useful in research of earlier ancestors.

Yes, the census officials often got things wrong, as you are no doubt aware! (Oldham for Fordham!)

Cheers!

Horrace :-)

1861 (should say Fordham!)

TURNER, Thomas Boarder Married M 22 1839 Agricultural Labourer
Oldham, Cambridgeshire
TURNER, Maria Boarder Married F 26 1835 Agricultural Labourers Wife
..., Cambridgeshire
TURNER, Sarah Boarder F 0 (2M) 1861 Agricultural Labourers Daughter
Oldham, Cambridgeshire
Piece: 3570
Folio: 9
Page: 11
Registration District: Beverley
Civil Parish: Saint Martins
Municipal Borough: Beverley
Address: Lodging House, Fleming Gate, Saint Martins, Beverley
County: Yorkshire (East riding)

Chris :)

Day:24
Month:Mar
Year:1861
Forenames:Sarah
Surname:Turner
Relationship:dau of
Father forenames:Thomas
Fathers occupation:lab
Mother forenames:Maria
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:otp
Place:Fordham
County:Cambridgeshire
Record source:Cambridgeshire Baptisms

(above Baptism might be worth keeping hold of!)....

Chris :)


http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

(above link useful for Cheshire)

Thanks also to Shirley and PollyPoppet !


Horrace <3

Thank you Roy for your invaluable help.

The 'Guest' name in the Spalding marriage would have 'thrown' me I'm afraid, so that is good to know too!

I'll have to add to, and amend, my GR tree now; but it's answered a lot of questions for me. It'll take some digesting, all this info...but good for the mind and soul! :-)

'Horrace'

I don't think that John Snr had the middle name Turner I can find no evidence for that but as some of their children had the middle name Turner (their mothers maiden name) is not that unusual but it would normally be the fathers surname given as middle name to an illegitimate child

John snr born London according to the 1911 census

Births Dec 1856

Greest John Pancras 1b 132

and 2 possibles for Sarah

Births Mar 1861

TURNER Sarah Newmarket 3b 529

Births Sep 1861

TURNER Sarah Newmarket 3b 497


Roy

You appear to have info from the 1883 marriage in spalding for John Snr but he would be to old to have served in WW1 so i now assume that the deaths you can confirm are for his children is that correct?

because the death i posted for GREEST, J T looks now to be James Turner Greest which would be correct

and this is the other brother

GREEST, JOHN ARTHUR
Rank:Private
Service No:21535
Date of Death:18/08/1916
Regiment/Service:King's Own Scottish Borderers
7th Bn.
Panel ReferencePier and Face 4 A and 4 D.
MemorialTHIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:


The marriage in spalding has the name spelling as Guest on the index

The deaths posted by PollyPoppet and Shirley would appear to be correct for mum and dad (Sarah and John Snr)

Roy

Hi Roy ! You are correct! I'm mixed up with his sons!

James Greest b 1894 d 1917 at age 23
John Greest b 1898 d 1916 at age 18.

And for some reason their father was named John Turner Greest , I believe!
Yes it is a verified fact of their deaths, their closer family has their medals I believe.

But no Guest names

Horrace

Are you sure you have the correct name spelling for John?

Marriages Jun 1883

Guest John Holbeach 7a 601
TURNER Sarah Holbeach 7a 601

their are several John Guest deaths in France 1917 acording to the CWGC

Sarah turner's birth place of Fordham was in cambridgeshire registration district Newmarket
and not Lincolnshire


Roy

Horrace, Is it a verified fact that he died in France during WW1? only he does not appear on the CWGC unless he had a middle name?

GREEST, J T
Rank:Acting Bombardier
Service No:5060
Date of Death:23/04/1917
Regiment/Service:Royal Field Artillery
"Q" Anti-Aircraft Bty.
Grave ReferenceC. 37.
CemeteryBEAUMETZ CROSS ROADS CEMETERY, BEAUMETZ-LES-CAMBRAI


Roy

Shirley.

This is certainly the same family of my ancestry, as I know of all their names and details. But this I have as a direct pointer to the ones I'm now researching, the earlier Turner/Greest match:

Marriage cert: In parish of Lutton, Lincolnshire, No 236 in the register. June, 11th 1883: John Greest, age 26, to Sarah Turner, age 22. John a railway checker resident in Spalding, Lincs, his father Harry Greest, a butler. Sarah's father, Thomas Turner, a market gardener. John Greest died in 1917, at the age of 40, in France (1st world war).

This is a verified fact, and the basis for my further research.

'Horrace' :-)

Thanks to you both ! PollyPoppet and Shirley.

It appears I'm losing my grip! The message should of course read Sarah Greest !!

It can get you like this when one reaches 73 ! ;-))

This looks more like his death

Name: John Greest
Birth Date: abt 1857
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1924
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 295

Is this them on the 1911??? he would be too old to serve in WW1
Name: John Greest
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Highgate, London, England
Civil parish: Runcorn
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Poole Lane Runcorn Cheshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Rough Carpenter File Deaing
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration District Number: 446
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 21622
Household Members:
Name Age
John Greest 56
Sarah Greest 50
Harry Turner Greest 21
Helen Greest 19
James Turner Greest 17
John Authur Greest 13
Thirza Adelaide Greest 11

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 21622; ; .


married 27 years 7 children born 1 died

possible

Death Record Name Sarah Greest
Year of Registration 1915
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Runcorn
Registration County Cheshire
Age at Death: 54
Volume Number 8A
Volume Page 320

Looking for the date of death of my paternal ancestor, above, who died in Runcorn, Cheshire. She was the daughter of Thomas Turner, born 1838 in Fordham, who was a market gardener there. Sarah married John Greest in the parish of Lutton, in Lincolnshire on 11th June, 1883. John Greest was killed in the 1st WW at the age of 40. Sarah lived in Runcorn, Cheshire, until her death there.

Anyone with family connections and greater detail are invited to contact me to share our findings.

'Horrace'