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Hilary has come back to Guernsey.

1881 census transcription details for: 65, Hauteville, St Peter Port
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5627
Folio: 34
Page: 17
Reg. District: Guernsey
Sub District: Guernsey - St Peter Port
Parish: St Peter Port
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 65, Hauteville, St Peter Port
County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CARRI, Hilary Head Single M 45 1836 Draper
St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
CARRI, Elizabeth Sister Single F 48 1833 Annuitant
St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
CARRI, Frana Sister Single F 41 1840 Music Mistress
St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands


Possibly Hilary has died by now.

1891 census transcription details for: 65, Hauteville, St Peter Port
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4703
Folio: 27
Page: 11
Reg. District: Jersey
Sub District: C
Parish: St Peter Port
Enum. District: 27
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 65, Hauteville, St Peter Port
County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CARRE, Elizabeth Head Single F 58 1833 Living On Her Own Means
St Peter Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Frances Sister Single F 52 1839 Music Teacher
St Peter Port, Guernsey
GUILLE, Ann Degaris Visitor Single F 58 1833 Living On Her Means
St Peter Port, Guernsey


1901 census transcription details for: 65, Hanteville, St Peter Port
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 5323
Folio: 33
Page: 14
Reg. District: Guernsey
Sub District: Guernsey - St Peter Port
Parish: St Peter Port
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 65, Hanteville, St Peter Port
County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CARRE, Elizabeth Head Single F 69 1832 Living On Own Means
St Peter Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Frances Sister Single F 61 1840 Music Teacher
St Peter Port, Guernsey

WOW! I am so impressed with all your responses. Thank you so much. I too have discovered Isabella and her children Fred and Fanny. I have a birth certificate also for Mary Ann Klunker, born 1874 showing her parents as Herman and Mary Ann. The parents of Fred and Fanny have proved so elusive that I am inclined to agree with you that Stanley Points was made up by Fred and that Fanny used her brother's name on the marriage certificate as they may well have both been illigetimate (possibly to Isabella). However, I am going to go through your replies carefully again as I have found that re-reading a lot of what I already have has produced results in the past.
Thank you again. Penny

1841 census transcription details for: Paper Hall Farm, Snettisham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 782
Book/Folio: 8
Page: 11
Reg. District: Docking Union
Sub District: Snettisham
Parish: Snettisham
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Paper Hall Farm, Snettisham
County: Norfolk
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TURNER, James M 30 1811 Norfolk
TURNER, Mary F 30 1811 Norfolk
TURNER, Sarah F 8 1833 Norfolk
>>TURNER, Isabella F 4 1837 Norfolk
>>TURNER, Victoria F 2 1839 Norfolk
TURNER, Lucy F 0 (1 months) 1841 Norfolk



1851 census transcription details for: Heacham
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1827
Folio: 298
Page: 50
Reg. District: Docking
Sub District: Snettisham
Parish: Heacham
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Heacham
County: Norfolk
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TURNER, James Head Married M 43 1808 Tailor
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Mary Wife Married F 41 1810
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 18 1833
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Thomas Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Tailors Son
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Isabella Daughter F 14 1837 Scholar
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Victoria Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Lucy Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Frederick Son M 3 1848
Snettisham, Norfolk
TURNER, Ellen Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar
Heacham, Norfolk
TURNER, Agnes Daughter F 1 1850
Heacham, Norfolk


1861 census transcription details for: 82, ..., Harrow Road, Paddington
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3
Folio: 92
Page: 22
Reg. District: Kensington
Sub District: 1 St Mary Paddington
Parish: Paddington
Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 82, ..., Harrow Road, Paddington
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
FURBY, Edmund Head Married M 24 1837 Victualler
Bedfordshire, England
FURBY, Elizabeth Wife Unmarried F 24 1837
Bedfordshire, England
BOLTON, Edward Brother In Law Unmarried M 25 1836
Bedfordshire, England
>>TURNER, Isabella Servant Unmarried F 25 1836 Barmaid
Snettisham, Norfolk
MILLIER, Charles Servant Unmarried M 23 1838 Barman
Essex
WILSON, Mary Servant Unmarried F 22 1839 House Servant
Newcastle, Northumberland
DOUBLEDAY, Albert D Servant Unmarried M 21 1840 Postman
Kennington, Surrey

I thought as much. A made up father.

Hmmmm

1861 census transcription details for: 76, Hauteville, St Peter Port
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 4383
Folio: 33
Page: 19
Reg. District: Guernsey
Sub District:
Parish: St Peter Port
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Guernsey
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 76, Hauteville, St Peter Port
County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CARRE, Thomas Head Married M 54 1807 Retired Draper
St Peters Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Maria Wife Married F 52 1809
St Peters Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 29 1832
St Peters Port, Guernsey
>>CARRE, Hilary Son Unmarried M 25 1836 Drapers Assistant
St Peters Port, Guernsey
CARRE, James Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Druggist Assistant
St Peters Port, Guernsey
CARRE, John A Son Unmarried M 20 1841 Drapers Assistant
St Peters Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Frances Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840
St Peters Port, Guernsey




1851 census transcription details for: 60, Hauteville, St Peter Port
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2530
Folio: 534
Page: 28
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: St Peter Port
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 60, Hauteville, St Peter Port
County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CARRE, Thomas Head Married M 42 1809 Draper & Tailor Employg 13 Men 3 Ap & 2 Females
St P Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Maria Wife Married F 41 1810
St P Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Thomas Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Draper's Shopman
St P Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832
St P Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Hillary Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Draper's (Shop Boy)
St P Port, Guernsey
CARRE, James Son M 13 1838 Druggist's Ap
St P Port, Guernsey
CARRE, Frances Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar
St P Port, Guernsey
CARRE, John A Son M 9 1842 Scholar
St P Port, Guernsey
CATTS, Amies Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 House Servt
St P Port, Guernsey



1841 census transcription details for: High Street, St Peter Port, Guernsey
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1460
Book/Folio: 12/4
Page: 2
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: St Peter Port
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Guernsey
Address: High Street, St Peter Port, Guernsey
County: Guernsey and Adjacent Islands
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CARRE, Thomas M 30 1811 Isle of Guernsey
CARRE, Maria F 30 1811 Isle of Guernsey
CARRE, Thomas M 10 1831 Isle of Guernsey
CARRE, Elizth F 9 1832 Isle of Guernsey
CARRE, James M 3 1838 Isle of Guernsey
CARRE, Hillary M 5 1836 Isle of Guernsey
CARRE, Francis F 2 1839 Isle of Guernsey
MITCHELL, Celia F 25 1816 Isle of Guernse

1871 census transcription details for: Hanover Place, Marylebone, London
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 177
Folio: 61
Page: 17
Reg. District: Marylebone
Sub District: Christchurch
Parish: Marylebone
Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: London
Address: Hanover Place, Marylebone, London
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CARRE, Hilary Head M 35 1836 Channel Islands
TURNER, Isabella Visitor F 32 1839 Norfolk
TURNER, Victoria F 30 1841 Norfolk


Ahh, this Hilary is a draper, unmarried, from St Peter's Port. The ladies are from Snettisham, Norfolk. Both unmarried.

Frederick James was born 2 July 1872 and fanny was 24 Feb 1874.
Their address at their baptism was 4 Burton st.

Well I think that Fred her brother was put down on the marriage of Fanny. I had that in my family too but I am interested to find Hillary their father and am wondering if his name was heard wrong and put down as Stanley.

1881 England Census
about Isabella Turner
Name: Isabella Turner
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: ...Sham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Islinston
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 104 Sussex Rd
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Domestic Servant

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 80b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 274
Folio: 115
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Fredk. Wallis 63
Sally Lanagan 65
Augusta Wallis 59
Isabella Turner 42 Domestic Servant Widowed

I have found both childrens baptisms as they were baptised together.

Parents are Isabella and Hillary Turner and Fred was born on 2nd July 1872 and Fanny 24th Feb 1874.

The father Hillary is a draper.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Fanny Turner
Name: Fanny Turner
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1875
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1875
Father's Name: Hillary Turner
Mother's Name: Isabella Turner
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

1891 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 11, Girdlestone Road
Parish Islington
District Islington, Upper Holloway
Administrative County London

Householder 1
Name James Clark
Age 48
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Painter
Birth Place Dorchester
Birth County Dorsetshire

Householder 2
Name Mary Clark
Age 47
Estimated Year of Birth 1844
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Laundress
Birth Place Malvern
Birth County Worcestershire

Householder 3
Name Susan Mary Clark
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Laundress
Birth Place Burton
Birth County Dorsetshire

Householder 4
Name Frederick Turner
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Occupation
Birth Place Holloway
Birth County London

Mel good find.

Regards Vera

Fannie Turner
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: William George Rainbow
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 May 1896
Parish: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Frederick Turner
Spouse Father Name: Eli Rainbow
Register Type: Parish Register



Regards Vera

1891 England Census
about Frederick J Tarner
Name: Frederick J Tarner
[Frederick J Turner]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Isabella Tarner
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:


Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 152
Folio: 48
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Tarner 57 1834 Norwich Norfolk***************WIDOW CHARWOMAN
Frederick J Tarner 18
Fanny Tarner 17

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Fitzpatrick Michael Holborn 1b 1330
Hackett Catherine Beatrice Holborn 1b 1330
>>>>>>RAINBOW William George Holborn 1b 1330
>>>>>>Turner Fannie Holborn 1b 1330

Regards Vera

1911 England Census
about Frederick James Turner
Name: Frederick James Turner
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 18 Marlborough Road, Upper Holloway
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: TRAM CONDUCTOR
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 810
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick James Turner 38
Mary Ann E Turner 37
William James Turner 10
Edward Albert Turner 8
Ethel Frances Turner 9
Stanley Herbert Turner 6

1911 census transcription details for: 18 Marlborough Road Upper Holloway
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN810 RG78PN28 RD10 SD2 ED11 SN77
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Upper Holloway
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 11
Address: 18 Marlborough Road Upper Holloway
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TURNER, Frederick James Head Married M 38 1873 Tram Conductor London England Holloway
TURNER, Mary Ann E Wife Married
12 years F 37 1874 Hoxton
TURNER, William James Son M 10 1901 Highbury Islington
TURNER, Edward Albert Son M 8 1903 Highbury Islington
TURNER, Ethel Francis Daughter F 9 1902 Highbury Islington
TURNER, Stanley Herbert Son M 6 1905 Highbury Isling

They'd already lost 2 children by now.

Found their marriage and I see William George Rainbow was a witness.

For ref.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Mary Ann Elenor Klanker
Name: Mary Ann Elenor Klanker
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Frederick James Turner
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Apr 1898
Parish: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Francis Herman Klanker
Spouse Father Name: Stanley Points Turner
Register Type: Parish Register

Here they are.


View Record Mary Ann E Klunker Apr-May-Jun 1898 Holbron London
View Record Frederick James Turner Apr-May-Jun 1898 Holbron London


Mary ann's birth.

Name: Mary Ann Eleanor Klunker
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1874
Baptism Date: 12 Apr 1874
Father's Name: Franzman Klunker
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Klunker
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers