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2 Sep 2012 18:04 |
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I am trying to find my grandfather on the 1911 census. He was born in 1884 in Bristol son of william and Emma Broom. I have found him on 1891 and 1901 living in Jacobs wells Bristol but cannot find him in 1911. He did not marry my grandmother until 1923. I know he was a tram driver then. I never knew whether he was married before he married my grandmother- hilda Bevan, he may have been because he was 39 when he married her. thanks for nay help
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JustDinosaurJill
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2 Sep 2012 18:08 |
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1911 Census Household Record Household information Address Deancry Stables Lower College Green Bristol Parish Bristol Town Bristol Type of Building Rooms Stables Number of Rooms 2 Inhabited Y Reference RG14PN14850 RG78PN901 RD319 SD1 ED25 SN53 Administrative County Gloucestershire Registration District Bristol Registration Sub District Clifton Enumeration District 25 Householder 1 Name M Herbert C Broom Relationship to Head of Household Servant Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 27 Estimated Year of Birth 1884 Occupation Coachman Employed Y Working at Home Y Place of Birth Bristol
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GlitterBaby
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2 Sep 2012 18:08 |
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Do you not have the cert for the marriage to Hilda to show if he was widowed
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2 Sep 2012 18:10 |
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So is he
Births Dec 1883 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BROOM Herbert Charles Barton R 6a 56
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2 Sep 2012 18:14 |
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I think this is the property which relates to the stables
1911 Census Household Record Household information Address The Deancry Lower College Green Bristol Parish Bristol Town Bristol Type of Building Private House Number of Rooms 15 Rooms Inhabited Y Reference RG14PN14850 RG78PN901 RD319 SD1 ED25 SN54 Administrative County Gloucestershire Registration District Bristol Registration Sub District Clifton Enumeration District 25 Householder 1 Name Francis Pigon Relationship to Head of Household Head Condition / Years Married Married Total Children Born Alive 3 Children Still Living 2 Children Who Have Died 1 Gender M Age 79 Estimated Year of Birth 1832 Occupation Clergyman Ested Church Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Germany Resident Nationality Brit Subject By Parentage Householder 2 Name Maude Pigon Relationship to Head of Household Wife Condition / Years Married Married / 42 Years Gender F Age 69 Estimated Year of Birth 1842 Occupation Private Means Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth London Nationality Brit Subject By Parentage Householder 3 Name Mildred C Pigon Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 50 Estimated Year of Birth 1861 Occupation Private Means Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth London Nationality Brit Subject By Parentage Householder 4 Name Elizabeth Durston Relationship to Head of Household Servant Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 38 Estimated Year of Birth 1873 Occupation Cook Domestic Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Stone Allerton Nationality Brit Sub By Parentage Householder 5 Name Mabel Heath Relationship to Head of Household Servant Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 25 Estimated Year of Birth 1886 Occupation Ladys Maid Domestic Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Clifton Co Bristol Nationality Brit Sub By Parentage Householder 6 Name Lillie Matthews Relationship to Head of Household Servant Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 25 Estimated Year of Birth 1886 Occupation Parlour Maid Domestic Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Bristol Nationality Brit Sub By Parentage Householder 7 Name Ada Keevill Relationship to Head of Household Servant Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 28 Estimated Year of Birth 1883 Occupation House Maid Domestic Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Kewstoke Som Nationality Brit Sub By Parentage Householder 8 Name Annice Brown Relationship to Head of Household Servant Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 31 Estimated Year of Birth 1880 Occupation House Maid Domestic Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Urgunet Glos Nationality Brit Sub By Parentage
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Joseph
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2 Sep 2012 18:16 |
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The original 1911 is signed Herbert C Broom. The M may be Mr??
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 18:17 |
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A possible first marriage:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 Name: Herbert C Broom Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911 Registration district: Bristol Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 268
married either Maud M Curnock or Edith B Nash
EDIT: It was Maud Mary Curnock - see record below.
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 18:22 |
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Definitely a copy of the cert needed to determine his marital status
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 Name: Herbert C Broom Spouse : Hilda M Bevan Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Registration district: Bristol Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 359
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 18:25 |
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Looks like it was Maud Mary he married in 1911, then he divorced her:
Divorce Court File: 6459. Appellant: Herbert Charles Broom. Respondent: Maud Mary Broom. Co-respondent: Nelson Roper. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. Covering dates 1921 Held by The National Archives, Kew Legal status Public Record(s) Language English
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Rose
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2 Sep 2012 18:44 |
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Thank you everyone. yes I think the M herbert c is him and I know the place "The Deanery".
Thank you Marieceleste for the information re his marriage and divorce. I cannot believe I have not got the marriage certificate. Because my mum was born in Hildas first marriage to William Bevan I have everything relating to that, and somehow have omitted getting the information on Herbert Broom!
all a learning experience for doing Family history.
Again thank you so much to everyone
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 18:46 |
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Must have been a scandal at the time:
Western Daily Press - 1 December 1921 LOCAL DIVORCE CASE
In the divorce division yesterday, before the president Sir Henry Duke, Herbert Chas Broom, taxi-cab driver of Radnor Road Bristol, was granted a decree nisi on the grounds of the misconduct of his wife, Maud Mary Broom, with a co-respondent named Roper, pianoforte tuner of Kingsdown Bristol. The petitioner was married on October 31 1911 at Westbury-on-Trym and subsequently lived various places in Bristol. In April 1915 he joined the army and was demobilised in August 1919 when he and his wife went to live at Melbourne Road, Bishopston, Bristol. She began to drink and insisted on a separation, eventually he agreed and left his wife in the home. On July 15 last he went to the home in Bishopston and broke open the bedroom door. His wife was in bed and Roper was also in the room. Both admitted misconduct. Thos Wm Lurway, St Michael's Hill, Bristol corroborated. He said the co-respondent was a pianoforte tuner but at the time he was employed at a dairy in Kingsdown, Bristol. The decree was made with costs awarded against the co-respondent.
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 18:50 |
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Just to tidy up a loose end, looks like Maud Mary reverted to her maiden name:
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Maud Mary Curnock Birth Date: 1886 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1974 Age at Death: 88 Registration district: Leicestershire Central Inferred County: Leicestershire Volume: 6 Page: 2039
Nelson Hope Lucy Roper (to give him his full name) was married in 1910 and 1938 and died 1948, all Bristol
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Rose
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2 Sep 2012 19:08 |
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Wow! How interesting. I have looked Nelson roper up on 1911 census and he had a wife Kate, they were living with her parents in Longmead Avenue Bristol, which is about 2/3 streets away from Melbourne Road!! Wonder if Kate and Nelson divorced too , she most probably knew about it if it was in the paper. Thanks Marie celeste
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 19:13 |
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I can't see a divorce for the Ropers, maybe the poor women just put up with him or they just separated?
Divorce was very expensive in those days - Nelson would probably be wiped out after paying Herbert Broom's costs.
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 19:18 |
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One good thing, I can't see any Broom/Curnock births so there were no children suffered as a result of the divorce.
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Rose
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2 Sep 2012 19:18 |
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Yes I hear divorce was expensive, thats why some had bigamist marriages wasn't it.
It will be interesting to see where they were in the 1921 census, but have a long wait for that!
Poor old Nelson would have loads of Pianos to tune or milk to be delivered to pay for the Costs !
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Rose
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3 Sep 2012 12:02 |
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Thanks Marie celeste. I did wonder if there were any children. Well I hope Herbert ended up happy as he married my nan and took on her two girls ( one was my mum) Herbert and Hilda went on to have one son Desmond who they adored. I was 5 when Herbert died but have some vague memories but some great photos of us all together. My mum certainly thought the world of him too so a happy ending!
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MarieCeleste
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3 Sep 2012 12:08 |
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Well, I'm pleased everything worked out well for Herbert - sounds like he deserved some happiness!
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