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Hi

Sorry not been in touch lately to thank all for their invaluable info. I am so grateful for all your help with this chap, he is my friend's grandfather and he is so proud to be associated with such a person.

Take care all

Ellen Coles death

Deaths Mar 1949 (>99%)
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Coles Ellen 78 Gosport 6b 328

Probate record states died 31/12/1848, spinster of 57 Anns Hill Road, Gosport. Admin granted to James Hibbert Coles, fitter. £1322 18s 4d.

So that ties the 1911 census back to James's son!

Elizabeth Guley also died in Gosport, reg Q1/1949, but I can't see a probate record for her.

3 of James's siblings together on 1911 census:

William Coles
Age in 1911: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Shirley Heath, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Alverstoke
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 57 Anns Hill Road, Alverstoke, Gosport, Hants
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Labourer N District Council Gosport
Registration district: Alverstoke
Registration District Number: 91
Sub-registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 270
Piece: 5630
Household Members: Name Age
Ernest Guley 53
Elizabeth Guley 46 (married 6 years, no children)
William Coles 54
Ellen Coles 40 99%)
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Coles Elizabeth Alverstoke 2b 1236
Germain Alice Kate S Alverstoke 2b 1236
Guley Ernest Alverstoke 2b 1236
Richards Thomas Alverstoke 2b 1236

Walter was in hospital 1891 in Gosport and I think he died in 1894 reg Alverstoke.

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HEATHCOTE Mary Ann Chorley Preston BASEBROWN CHO/56/55

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1879
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HEATHCOTE Florey May Chorley Preston BASEBROWN CHO/58/95

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HEATHCOTE Robert Tattersall Chorley Preston BAISBROWN CHO/60/74

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HEATHCOTE Bessie Chorley Preston BASEBROWN CHO/65/37
HEATHCOTE Harold Chorley Preston BASEBROWN CHO/65/37


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HEATHCOTE Louis BAISBROWN Susannah St Peter, Chorley Preston C11/1/286


1881 England Census
Civil parish: Chorley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Upper Cleveland St
Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Chorley
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4219; Folio: 15; Page: 24; GSU roll: 1342010.

Lewis Heathcote 32 Waterfoot, Lancashire, England Head M Bazaar Keeper (Gen Shop)
Susannah Heathcote 33 Hawkshead, Lancashire, England Wife M
Mary A. Heathcote 3 Chorley, Lancashire, England Daughter
Florrie M. Heathcote 1 Chorley, Lancashire, England Daughter

Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 29 Mar 1877 St Peter, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Louis Heathcote - (X), 27 Tradesman Bachelor of 3, Market St, Chorley
Susannah Baisbrown - 30 Domestic Servant Spinster of Netherside, Chorley
Groom's Father: Orlando Heathcote, Tradesman
Bride's Father: John Baisbrown, Gardener
Witness: John Heathcote; Harriet Kershaw
Married by Banns by: John Scott B. A.
Register: Marriages 1852 - 1893, Page 143, Entry 286
Source: LDS Film 1517687

Banns: St Peter, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Louis Heathcote - of St George's
Sushannah Baisbrown - of St Peters
First Reading: 11 Feb 1877; Read By: Rob. H. Giles
Second Reading: 18 Feb 1877; Read By: Henry B. Noble off.
Third Reading: 25 Feb 1877; Read By: Rob. H. Giles
Married 29 Mar 1877
Notes: married Mar 29 1877 by J Stott
Register: Banns 1854 - 1895, Page 59, Entry 289
Source: LDS Film 1517686

Is this one of your direct ancestors, because if it is I would be proud to have his as one of mine. Left in a poorhouse before he was 8, served all over the place and in the boer war, re-enlisted for WW1, survived and managed to see out WW2 before dying in 1948 aged 75-ish.

What a survivor!

If the 1871 posting by safc is right and it looks likely, I wonder why he only named Ellen, Walter & Lizzie as his NOK? I've tried to do a freebmd search of deaths to see if the rest of the family all died around the same time, but the search engine isn't co-operating. & wonder where Lizzie and Walter were in 1881 - although Lizzie could have been married by then, I can't see Walter.

Think Jonesey is right, Nellie is Ellen, my mum was always known as Nellie but she was born Eleanor.

Actually, re-reading Jonesey's post Lizzie probably wasn't married if he listed her under her maiden name when he enlisted.

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
COLES James Alverstoke 2b 536

Likely siblings

Births Sep 1868 (>99%)
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COLES Walter Alverstoke 2b 482

Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Coles Ellen Alverstoke 2b 513

name: Walter Coles
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 2
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Alverstoke, Hampshire
record type: Household
registration district: Alverstoke
sub-district: Alverstoke
event parish: Alverstoke
county: Hampshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self George Coles M 46 Ramsey, Hampshire
wife Ellen Coles F 36 Dunsford, Hampshire
son William Coles M 14 Dunsford, Hampshire
son Harry Coles M 12 Dunsford, Hampshire
son George Coles M 9 Dunsford, Hampshire
daughter Elizabeth Coles F 8 Dunsford, Hampshire
daughter Mary A Coles F 6 Dunsford, Hampshire
son Walter Coles M 2 Alverstoke, Hampshire
daughter Ellen Coles F 0 Alverstoke, Hampshire

????

name: George Coles
age: 47
gender: Male
birth year: 1834
birthplace: Yateley, Hampshire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Farm Labourer
address: Lane To Up Green
census place: Eversley, Hampshire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341306
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 1253 / 110
page number: 10
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head George Coles M 47 Yateley, Hampshire, England
wife Ann Coles F 42 Yateley, Hampshire, England
son Eli Coles M 15 Yateley, Hampshire, England
son William Coles M 13 Yateley, Hampshire, England
son James Coles M 11 Yateley, Hampshire, England xxxx
daughter Sarah Coles F 8 Sandhurst, Berkshire, England
son Henry Coles M 6 Eversley, Hampshire, England
son Edwin Coles M 2 Eversley, Hampshire, England

According to his service records he served in the Boer War which would explain his absence from the 1901 census. He originally joined up on 13/8/1886 at Portsea. In 1891 about the time of the census he appears to have been in Preston. He served in Jersey, Ireland, Celyon, South Africa as well as in France/Belgium.

As next of kin he names his brother Walter and sisters Lizzie and Nellie (Ellen?).

Rather unusually a copy of his 1948 death certificate is amongst his service records as there was an outstanding amount of 2 shillings and seven pence due to him from his army pension. The registrar also claimed one shilling paid for the certificate.

I wonder? If he had 21 years previous service then he must have enlisted early, maybe this could explain it?

James Coles
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: "Union Work House" Portsea Island
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: Portsea Island Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1145
Folio: 120
Page Number: 13

There is also an Ellen Coles listed, age 10, but I can't see any adult Coles.

Added, they've put N/K against James place of birth, but Ellen's states Gosport, Hants.

Lancashirebmd for that 1908 marriage previously posted:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
COLES James HEATHCOTE Mary Ann St Lawrence, Chorley Preston C10/4/98

Following on from his army pension records there is this:

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about James Coles
Name: James Coles
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age at enlistment: 41
Residence: 5 Springfield Rd ??
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 18514
Regiment Name: Bn??
Number of images: 33

There are 33 pages to look through so will have a read and come back with any relevant info.

EDIT: See Jonesey has done so below.

Hi

thank you so much, I have something to work on now.

Take care

Marriage Record Name James Coles
Year of Marriage 1908
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Chorley
Registration County Lancashire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 8E
Volume Page 1099

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: James Coles
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age at enlistment: 41
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 18514
Regiment Name: L N Lane Regiment
Number of images: 2

Enlisted 30 Nov 1914. A clerk, living 5 Springfield Road, Chorley.

Had 21 years previous service.

Married Mary Ann Heathcote 25 Jul 1908 at St George's, Chorley.
Children listed as:
James Hibbert b 20 Feb 1912
Phyllis Edith Heathcote b 28 Jan 1901

1911???
Name: James Coles
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Abrustoke Gorport, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: St James Westminster
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Nelson Street S Annes On Sea
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Occupation: Postman arney Pensiner
Registration district: Fylde
Registration District Number: 477
Sub-registration district: Lytham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 132
Piece: 25397
Household Members:
Name Age
James Coles 38
Mary Ann Coles 33 born Chorley
Phyllis Edna Heathcott 10 born Chorley

Name: James Coles
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1873
Registration district: Alverstoke
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 536

N.B. According to the 1911 census he was an Army pensioner so it is possible that he was outside the UK when some of the earlier census records were taken.

Hello Edna, when did he marry? If before 1911 do you know if he had any children?

When was Mary Ann Heathcote born?

EDIT: Found marriage, it was 1908

Hi

Can anyone help me tgrace census records for JAMES COLES b @ 1873, died 28/2/1948. I think he was born in Chorley Lancashire and on his marriage cert it shows his father to be GEORGE COLES (deceased at the time of the marriage) occ: farm labourer. JAMES married MARY ANN HEATHCOTE in Chorley Lancashire. But I can't find census returns for him.

Thanking you