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1881 census

Name: John W. Nelson
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Vessels
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Street Address: "Terror"
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Engineer
Registration district: Royal Navy
Sub-registration district: Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel: Terror (1)
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5633
Folio: 123
Page Number: 2

vessel is a Depot ship and is in Bermuda !

Name: John William Nelson
Age: Full Age
occupation Engineer Royal navy
residence Lewisham
Spouse Name: Margaret French Whiteway
residence Greenwich
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Sep 1866
Parish: Greenwich St Alphege
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: John Nelson occ clerk
Brides father William Whiteway occ Coal merchant
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Laurence Nelson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1878
Registration district: Sheppey
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 865

Name: Marguerite Septima Nelson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1883
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1086

Name: Horatio Whiteway Nelson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1867
Father's Name: John William Nelson
Mother's Name: Margaret French Nelson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich St Alphege
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Jeresa Maggie Whiteway Nelson
[Teresa Maggie Whiteway Nelson]
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Dec 1868
Father's Name: John William Nelson
Mother's Name: Margaret French Nelson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: John Nelson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1870
Father's Name: John William Nelson
Mother's Name: Margaret French Nelson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: Geraldine Nelson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Dec 1876
Father's Name: John William Nelson
Mother's Name: Margaret French Nelson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers


Name: Albert Octavious Nelson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1885
Father's Name: John William Nelson
Mother's Name: Margaret French Nelson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers

Well as John died in 1903 she is rightly a widow !!

1911 census transcription details for: 60 Vancouver Road Catford S E


National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2827 RG78PN96 RD29 SD4 ED21 SN172
Reg. District: Lewisham
Sub District: Sydenham
Parish: Lewisham
Enum. District: 21
Address: 60 Vancouver Road Catford S E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
NELSON, Margaret French Head Widow F 68 1843 Private Means Greenwich
, Adelaide Bri Ford Sister Single F 60 1851 Private Means Greenwich
NELSON, John Son Single M 40 1871 Electrician Greenwich
NELSON, Geraldine Daughter Single F 33 1878 Lewisham


8 children born 6 still living

Margaret widowed by 1911 - has completed that 8 children born to marriage, 6 still living
1911 census transcription details for: 60 Vancouver Road Catford S E

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2827 RG78PN96 RD29 SD4 ED21 SN172
Reg. District: Lewisham
Sub District: Sydenham
Parish: Lewisham
Enum. District: 21
Address: 60 Vancouver Road Catford S E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
NELSON, Margaret French Head Widow F 68 1843 Private Means Greenwich
, Adelaide Bri Ford Sister Single F 60 1851 Private Means Greenwich
NELSON, John Son Single M 40 1871 Electrician Greenwich
NELSON, Geraldine Daughter Single F 33 1878 Lewisham

She didnt die till much later

Name: Margaret F Nelson
Birth Date: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1d
Page: 827


So looks very like John and Edith werent married but lived together

1901
1901 census transcription details for: 4, Wallbutton Road, St Paul Deptford

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 533
Folio: 13
Page: 17
Reg. District: Greenwich
Sub District: Deptford South
Parish: St Paul Deptford
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: St Catherine Hatcham
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Wallbutton Road, St Paul Deptford
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
NELSON, Margaret F Wife Married F 57 1844 Living On Own Means!!!!!
Greenwich, London
NELSON, Geraldine Daughter Single F 24 1877 Teacher Of Music
Lewisham, London
WHITEWAY, Adelaide B Sister Single F 50 1851 Living On Own Means
Greenwich, London


does look like they parted as Margaret is living on her own means

WAs he already married??

1891 England Census about John W Nelson
Name: John W Nelson
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret F Nelson
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:Whiteway ,Vancouver Road

Occupation:RETIRED ENGINEER RN

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Sydenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 526
Folio: 143
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Nelson 49
Margaret F Nelson 49 b Greenwich
Geraldine Nelson 14 b lewisham
Laurence Nelson 12 b Sheerness
Marguerite S Nelson 7 b Catford
Alberto Nelson 5 b Catford

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 526; Folio: 143; Page: 11; GSU roll: 6095636.


Marriages Sep 1866

Nelson John W Greenwich 1d 1142
WHITEWAY Margaret F Greenwich 1d 1142


its double entried

Marriages Sep 1866
Nelson John W Greenwich 1d 1086
WHITEWAY Margaret F Greenwich 1d 1086


different page nos

So he was born a lot earlier than Edith .Strange she is 35 on the 1901 and still 35 on the 1911!!

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm

(might be on above, further down page, they have recently changed from Documents Online, needs getting used to, lol)

Chris :)


1901
NELSON, John Head Married M 50 (59 on image)1851 Consulting Engineer Mechanical & Mining Retired Royal Navy
Scotland
NELSON, Edith Wife Married F 35 1866
Camberwell
NELSON, Beatrice H Daughter F 4 1897
Camberwell
NELSON, Forbes Son M 2 1899
Brixton VIEW
NELSON, Leslie Son M 0 (6 MOS) 1901
Brixton
Piece: 469
Folio: 89
Page: 15
Registration District: Wandsworth
Civil Parish: Tooting Graveney
Municipal Borough:
Address: 7a, Moring Road, Tooting Graveney
County: London

Thanks everybody - all facts correct.
The naval record seems correct though the 1901 census says he was born Scotland 1842

The 1911 census has her as a widow but the ships manifest to AUS 1920 say she is married

Oh why are most of my queries so complicated ......

(Sister)
Name Joseph Ash
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Age: 35
Spouse Name: Helen Morton
Spouse Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jul 1906
Parish: Nunhead St Antony
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Joseph Ash
Spouse Father Name: Frank Morton (Solicitor's Managing Clerk)
Register Type: Parish Register
(address for both, 53, Nunhead Grove, witnesses Beatrice Morton, H.Morton, F? Morton)

Chris :)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6634433

(not sure if above is him?, Navy Record)

Chris :)

Cant see a marriage.

is this his death?

Deaths Mar 1902
Nelson John 29 Wandsworth 1d 374


Edit: seems he was much older, looking at the 1901 census posted, so this looks to be him. (you probably have this already but posting as a correction)

Name: John William Nelson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1903
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: St Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 60a

Name: Beatrice Helena Nelson
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Jan 1902
Father's Name: John William Nelson (Naval Engineer)
Mother's Name: Edith Nelson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Antony, Nunhead
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
(address, 53, Nunhead Grove)

Chris :)

edits (also same day, Forbes Nelson born 20th Dec. 1899)

Edith is a widow by 1911 which doesn't help (was hoping a years married would show)
1911 England Census about Edith Neilson
Name: Edith Neilson
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Sister In Law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: WANDSWORTH, England
Civil parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 33 Greywood Street, West Streatham S W
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: SECRETARIAL CLERK
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Piece: 2344
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Ash 37
Helen Ash 34
Chloris Ash 3
Christopher Ash 1
Edith Neilson 35
Beatrice Neilson 14
Forbes Neilson 12
Leslie Neilson 10
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 2344; ; .

Can anybody please help - I've tried to find a marriage for Edith Morton to John Nelson/Neilson

Don't know how the name became Neilson
first daughter Beatrice Helena Neilson was born 25 Oct 1896 Camberwell, London.
Family appear 1901 census name Nelson

Need some fresh eyes

:-D :-D