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Emziee
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13 Oct 2012 11:18 |
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Hi there, I am looking for any relations, or anyone who might have some information on James Harries born abt 1849 St.Issels, Narberth, Wales. I have become stuck trying to discover his parents. I have found correct census records of him from 1881 onwards- but am having trouble with the ones prior to these.
His occupation on the census of 1881 is listed as Seaman...could it be that he wouldn't be on/very hard to find him on any records before this? I am trying to find an records to do with this occupation.
If you think you might be a relation....I am a direct descendant of Benjamin Edward Harries, his son. James married a Marry Ann Wilcox. And they lived in St Issels in Narberth.
Thankyou for your time,
Emily xx
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Helen
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13 Oct 2012 11:22 |
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1851 Wales Census about James Harries Name: James Harries Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Harries Mother's Name: Jane Harries Gender: Male Where born: St Issells Civil Parish or Township: St Issells County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Llanboidy ED, institution, or vessel: 7c Piece: 2475 Folio: 821 Page Number: 5 Household schedule number: 19 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Harries 37 Jane Harries 36 Thomas Harries 5 James Harries 3
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Helen
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13 Oct 2012 11:24 |
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1861 Wales Census about James Harries Name: James Harries Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Harries Mother's Name: Jane Harries Gender: Male Where born: St Issels, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: St Issel County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Begelly ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 59 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4151 Folio: 109 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Harries 45 Jane Harries 49 Thomas Harries 14 James Harries 12 William Harries 10 Fredrick Harries 3
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Helen
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13 Oct 2012 11:24 |
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Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 about James Harries Name: James Harries Estimated Age: 37 Birth Date: 1849 Birth Place: Dinas, Pembrokeshire Issue Date: 17 Aug 1886 Issue Port: Flyland Certificate Number: 95507
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Helen
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13 Oct 2012 11:27 |
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Name: James Harries Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1849 Registration district: Narbech Inferred County: Pembrokeshire Volume: 26 Page: 735 (click to see others on page)
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PollyPoppet
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13 Oct 2012 11:28 |
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1851 Census Household RecordHousehold Information Address Parish Saint Issells District Narberth, Begelly Administrative County Pembrokeshire
Householder 1 Name Thomas Harries Age 37 Estimated Year of Birth 1814 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Carpenter Birth Place Narberth Birth County
Householder 2 Name Jane Harries Age 36 Estimated Year of Birth 1815 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place St Issells Birth County
Householder 3 Name Thomas Harries Age 5 Estimated Year of Birth 1846 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place St Issells Birth County
Householder 4 Name James Harries Age 3 Estimated Year of Birth 1848 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place St Issells Birth County
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PricklyHolly
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13 Oct 2012 12:13 |
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1871 Wales Census about Thomas Harries Name: Thomas Harries Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Harries Gender: Male Where born: St Issels, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: St Issels Ecclesiastical parish: St David County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Begelly ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 40 Piece: 5511 Folio: 34 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Harries 56 (Carpenter) Jane Harries 57 Thomas Harries 24 (Carpenter) Fredrick Harries 14
All born St Issels Pembrokeshire.
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Helen
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13 Oct 2012 12:19 |
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1841 Wales Census about Thomas Harries Name: Thomas Harries Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: Narberth Hundred: Narberth County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Narberth Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1448 Book: 18 Folio: 8 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Name James Harries 57 Mary Harries 59 Thomas Harries 25 James Harries 20 Catharine Thomas 20 John Harries 15
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PricklyHolly
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13 Oct 2012 12:26 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Thomas Harries Name: Thomas Harries Souse Name: Jane Davies Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1846 Registration district: Narbech Inferred County: Pembrokeshire Volume Number: 26 Page Number: 1009
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PricklyHolly
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13 Oct 2012 12:34 |
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Jane Harries on the image.....
1891 Wales Census about Jane Hames Name: Jane Hames Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation: Mother Gender: Female Where born: Saundersfoot, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: St Issells Ecclesiastical parish: St Issells Town: Saundersfoot County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Begelly ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4526 Folio: 78 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Fred Harries 31 Jane Hames 13 ...........Mother (Wid).......age 73 Res: Cliff Road
(Living 3 doors away (Cliff Cottage) from her son James Harries....Sailor)!!!
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Jane Harries Name: Jane Harries Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1894 Age at Death: 79 Registration district: Narbech Inferred County: Pembrokeshire Volume: 11a Page: 669
1881 Wales Census about Fred Harries Name: Fred Harries Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Jane Harries Gender: Male Where born: Saundersfoot, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: St Issells County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: Cambrian House Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: Sailor Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Begelly ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5407 Folio: 94 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Jane Harries 63 (Carpenters Widow) Fred Harries 23 Ben Beynon 21 (Lodger)
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PricklyHolly
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13 Oct 2012 12:40 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Thomas Harries Name: Thomas Harries Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1876 Age at Death: 62 Registration district: Narbech Inferred County: Pembrokeshire Volume: 11a Page: 436
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PricklyHolly
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13 Oct 2012 15:06 |
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Household transcription 1911 census Person: HARRIES, William Address: 4 Railway St Saundersfoot Pembrokeshire S Wales
HARRIES, William Head Married M 59 1852 Mariner At Home Saundersfoot Pem VIEW HARRIES, Caroline Wife Married36 years F 57 1854 Amroth Pem VIEW HARRIES, Florence Granddaughter F 12 1899 School Pembroke Pem VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 33123 Reference: RG14PN33123 RG78PN1898 RD600 SD3 ED12 SN54 Registration District: Narberth Sub District: Begelly Enumeration District: 12 Parish: St Issells Address: 4 Railway St Saundersfoot Pembrokeshire S Wales County: Pembrokeshire (3 children born and living)
1881 Wales Census about Caroline Harries Name: Caroline Harries Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Wife (Head) (Head) Gender: Female Where born: Amroth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: St Issells County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: Picton Cottage Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: Marriners Wife Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Begelly ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5407 Folio: 92 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Caroline Harries 26 John H. Harries 6 William Harries 8mnths
1891 Wales Census about William Harris Name: William Harris Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Harris Mother's Name: Carolina Harris Gender: Male Where born: Saundersfoot, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: St Issells Ecclesiastical parish: St Issells Town: Saundersfoot County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Begelly ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4526 Folio: 93 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age William Harris 39 Carolina Harris 38 Howard Harris 16 William Harris 10 Eliza J Harris 7
It looks like Howard is John.... Births Jun 1875 (>99%) Harries John Howard Haverfordwest 11a 973
1901 Wales Census about Caroline Harries Name: Caroline Harries Age in 1901: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Harries Gender: Female Where born: Amroth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: St Issel Ecclesiastical parish: St Issel Town: Saunders Foot County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Begelly ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 143 Piece: 5119 Folio: 131 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age William Harries 49 Caroline Harries 47 John H Harries 26 (Widower) William H Harries 20 Eliza Jane Harries 17 Edith M Harries 4 (Grandaughter) Caroline F Harries 2 (Grandaughter)
So John Howard must be the father of the Grandchildren.
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PricklyHolly
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13 Oct 2012 15:15 |
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Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Eynon Sophia Pembroke 11a 1579 HARRIES John Howard Pembroke 11a 1579
Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%) Harries Sophia 23 Pembroke 11a 632
Died the same quarter as her Daughter Caroline was born...
Births Dec 1898 (>99%) Harries Caroline Florence Pembroke 11a 1125
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Emziee
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15 Oct 2012 11:32 |
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Thank you all very much for your help. The census records you've found are brilliant, I believe them to be true. And the marriage of Thomas and Jane, giving her Maiden name as Davies I would never have found- the searches I've been doing for that early on never seem to show the wife's maiden name. Hopefully, I can add to my tree now and more will come to me.
It's going to take me some time to sort through all this properly, but many thanks :)
I shall keep you informed
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PricklyHolly
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15 Oct 2012 12:33 |
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It seems John remarried in 1902 although i have yet to find him in the 1911 census to ascertain who he married!
Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%) Connick Anna Pembroke 11a 1607 Harries John Howard Pembroke 11a 1607 Mathias Ellen Pembroke 11a 1607
William H Harries occupation in the 1901 census is Mariner.
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%) BRENNAN Annie Patrica Pembroke 11a 2035 HARRIES William Henry Pembroke 11a 2035
Household transcription 1911 census Person: HARRIES, William Address: Milford Street Saundersfoot
HARRIES, William Head Married M 32 1879 Sailor At House Saundersfoot Pem VIEW HARRIES, Annie Wife Married7 years F 32 1879 Ci Kilkenny Ireland VIEW HARRIES, Joseph Son M 5 1906 School Saundersfoot Pem VIEW HARRIES, William Son M 3 1908 Saundersfoot Pem VIEW HARRIES, Margaret Daughter F 2 1909 Saundersfoot Pem VIEW HARRIES, Mary Daughter F 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Saundersfoot Pem VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 33124 Reference: RG14PN33124 RG78PN1898 RD600 SD3 ED13 SN117 Registration District: Narberth Sub District: Begelly Enumeration District: 13 Parish: St Issells Address: Milford Street Saundersfoot County: Pembrokeshire (5 children born, 4 living, 1 had died)
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PricklyHolly
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15 Oct 2012 13:46 |
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It seems that Eliza Jane in the 1901 census preferred her middle name...
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Emily Eliza J Harries Name: Emily Eliza J Harries Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1884 Registration district: Narbech Inferred County: Pembrokeshire Volume: 11a Page: 968
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Emily Eliza J Harries Name: Emily Eliza J Harries Spouse: Frederick George Math-an>>>>>Mistranscribed Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1909 Registration district: Narbech Inferred County: Pembrokeshire Volume Number: 11a Page Number: 2081
Household transcription 1911 census Person: MATHIAS, Emily Address: 33 Sycamore St Bufferland Pembroke Dock MATHIAS, Fred Head Married M 26 1885 General Founder Pembrokeshire Pembroke Dock VIEW MATHIAS, Emily Wife Married F 27 1884 Pembrokeshire Saundersport VIEW MATHIAS, Caroline Daughter F 0 1911 Pembrokeshire Pembroke Dock VIEW HARRIES, Edith Niece F 14 1897 Pembrokeshire Pembroke VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 33152 Reference: RG14PN33152 RG78PN1900 RD601 SD2 ED8 SN421 Registration District: Pembroke Sub District: Pembroke Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Pembroke St Mary Address: 33 Sycamore St Bufferland Pembroke Dock County: Pembrokeshire (2 children born and living)
Edith must be the other Grandaughter (John Howards Daughter) who appears in the 1901 census.
Births Dec 1896 (>99%) Harries Edith Mary Pembroke 11a 1185
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PricklyHolly
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15 Oct 2012 14:02 |
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If you look at the 1901 census for Frederick George Mathias.........you will see he has a Brother Albert.
So this looks like Emily and Fredericks other child who is not with them in th 1911 census..........
Household transcription 1911 census Person: MATHIAS, Frederick Address: 73 Military Road Pennar Pembroke Dock
MATHIAS, Albert Head Married M 28 1883 Shipwright Pembrokeshire Pembroke Dock VIEW MATHIAS, Annie Wife Married2 years F 26 1885 Housekeeper Pembrokeshire Pembroke Dock VIEW MATHIAS, Frederick Nephew M 1 1910 Pembrokeshire Pembroke Dock VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 33153 Reference: RG14PN33153 RG78PN1900 RD601 SD2 ED9 SN141 Registration District: Pembroke Sub District: Pembroke Enumeration District: 9 Parish: Pembroke St Mary Address: 73 Military Road Pennar Pembroke Dock County: Pembrokeshire
Births Jun 1910 (>99%) MATHIAS Frederick William J Pembroke 11a 1461
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PricklyHolly
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15 Oct 2012 20:03 |
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Following on from the 1841 census for Thomas born 1816...........his occupation is a Carpenter and the same occupation is given for Brothers James and John and his Father James...........
?? 1851 Wales Census about James Harris Name: James Harris Age: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Harris Gender: Male Where born: Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Narberth Town: Narberth County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Narberth Sub-registration district: Llanboidy ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Piece: 2475 Folio: 486 Page Number: 16 Household schedule number: 58 Household Members: Name Age James Harris 67 (Carpenter) Born Narbth Pembrokeshire Mary Harris 71 Born Narbeth Pembrokeshire
You might want to check out the image for the 1841 census as there is also a George Harries on there with his family..........age 47 occ: Malsters Carrier.
Might possibly be James's brother??
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