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The family in 1861, living at Cross St - Elizabeth Butcher is shown as Lodger, b Wavendon, Bucks, same POB as Emma:


1861 England Census

Elizabeth Clark
Age:7
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1854
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Joseph Clark
Mother's Name:Emma Clark
Gender:Female
Where born:Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish:Dunstabl

Joseph Clark 40
Emma Clark 30
George Clark 10
Elizabeth Clark 7
Elizabeth Butcher 18
Alfred Groves 25

No need to reply individually George. Good to have the information acknowledged.

It is interesting that BMDs all seem to be Molcher or variations and only Clark on some of the earlier census records.

Good luck with your appointments.

Sorry for not coming back sooner but I have been waiting for a call from the eye hospital which has just come in, spent 20 minutes on the phone, re a bit of a mix up in my appointments, all sorted now.

Anyway Blimey

You have all given me so much info which I never thought about. It will keep me busy for ages analysing it all. But I have to careful how long I spend staring at this blasted screen im limited to 2 hours a day maximum, my wife watches me very carefully

.Im very interested in the name change aspect which has been mentioned, I will look into further

I just knew I would get so many thoughts and ideas from you all, im overwhelmed.

Many thanks to everyone who has replied to my request, I really appreciate it.

Sorry I have not replied to you individually.


Once again many thanks to you all

George

:-D

She who must be obeyed has just told me my time is up, I don't know if she mans on here or what :-D

Name: Elizabeth Northwood
Probate Date: 7 Jan 1937
Death Date: 13 Dec 1936
Death Place: Bedfordshire, England
Registry: London, England

Elizabeth Northwood of 9 Cross Street, Dunstable, widow. Probate to Frederick William Mulcher, dispatch clerk Effects £374. 14s. 5d.

Name: Lilian Alice Mulcher
Probate Date: 18 Dec 1956
Death Date: 22 Nov 1956
Death Place: Bedfordshire, England
Registry: London, England

of 9 Cross Street probate to Leonard Charles Stokes capstan setter operator and Leslie John Stokes chargehand. Effects £931. 13s. 3d.

????

Deaths Mar 1903 Moulcher Joseph 74 Luton 3b 252



Marriages Jun 1915
Cheshire Lilian A Mulcher Luton 3b 1135
Mulcher Frederick W Cheshire Luton 3b 1135

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Fredrick William Mulcher

Probate Date: 6 May 1954

Death Date: 11 Apr 1954

Death Place: Bedfordshire, England

Registry: London, England

of 9 Cross Street, West Dunstable
Probate to Lillian Alice Mulcher widow
£1018 5s 6d

That 1911 census leads back to that Clark family?

1891

Name: Frederick Clark
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Clark
Mother's Name: Emma Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunstable, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Dunstable
Ecclesiastical parish: Dunstable
Town: Dunstable
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Cross Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration District: Luton
Sub-registration District: Dunstable
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1269
Folio: 49
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Clark 64 Sawyer
Emma Clark 60
Elizabeth Clark 39 Daughter, Straw Hat Machinist <<<<<<
Emily J Clark 22
Frederick Clark 11

1881


RG number RG11
Piece: 1646
Folio: 56
Page: 22
Reg. District: Luton
Sub District: Dunstable
Parish: Dunstable
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Cross St, Dunstable
County: Bedfordshire


CLARK, Joseph Head Married M 52 1829 Sawyer Newport Pagnall, Buckinghamshire
CLARK, Emma Wife Married F 47 1834 Wavendon, Buckinghamshire
CLARK, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 24 1857 Hat Sewer Woburn Sands, Bedfordshire
CLARK, Emily A Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Dunstable, Bedfordshire
CLARK, Frederick W Son Single M 1 1880 Dunstable, Bedfordshire

Choccy, there is a Frederick William Clark at Cross street on the 1881 and 1891 censuses - it really does look as if there was a name change.

Have to go now - will look in later to see what George thinks.

The same Clark family are on the 1891 - it is definitely Emily J on that image and living next door is a George Molcher, 39, Sawyer, born Woburn Sands.

This may not be connected but I was looking for a possible marriage for Emily's sister who was a witness at the wedding.

Marriages Mar 1902
Edwards Rose Luton 3b 718
Freeman Thomas Luton 3b 718
Molcher Elizabeth Luton 3b 718
Northwood Alfred Luton 3b 718


which led me to this

1911

Name: Elizabeth Northwood
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woburn Sands, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Dunstable
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Cross St, Dunstable, Bedfordshire
Marital Status: Widow
Occupation: Straw Hat Machinist
Registration District: Luton
Registration District Number: 178
Sub-registration District: Dunstable
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household Schedule Number: 130
Piece: 8986
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Northwood 56, Head, Widow, Straw Hat Machinist
Emily Molsher 82, Mother, Widow, b. Bucks, Wavenden
Frederick William Molsher 31, Son, Engineer's Store Keeper, b. Dunstable
Charles Cheshire 31
George Frederick Setchell 23

The last two are Police Constables - no relation given to Head of Household.



Deaths Dec 1902 Northwood Alfred 56 Luton 3b 253

1911 - 5 Cross Street

RG14PN8986 RG78PN478 RD178 SD1 ED2 SN130
Reg. District: Luton
Sub District: Dunstable
Parish: Dunstable
Enum. District: 2
Address: 5 Cross St Dunstable
County: Bedfordshire


NORTHWOOD, Elizabeth Head Widow F 56 1855 Straw Hat Machinist Bucks Woburn Sands
>>>>>MOLSHER, Emily Mother Widow F 82 1829 Bucks Wavendon
>>>>>MOLSHER, Frederick William Son M 31 1880 Engineers Storekeeper Beds Dunstable
CHESHIRE, Charles M 31 1880 Police Constable Beds Meppershall
SETCHELL, George Frederick M 23 1888 Police Constable Beds Bedford

Possible for the George in the 1871

Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
Malsher George Woburn 6 132

George, the same family is on the 1881 census - Emily is transcribed as Emily A but it could be a J.

Glitter Baby

Yes I did see that one you mention, I also ruled it out

Thank you

George

1851 Heath, Aspley Guise

WEBB, Isaac Head Married M 56 1795 Ag Lab
Leighton, Bedfordshire
WEBB, Ann Wife Married F 55 1796 Lacemaker
Ecton, Northamptonshire
WEBB, John Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Ag Lab
Aspley, Bedfordshire
BUTCHER, Sarah Daughter-In-Law Unmarried F 18 1833 Lace Maker
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire
MALCHER, Joseph Son-In-Law Lodger M 23 1828 Ag Lab
Newport, Buckinghamshire
MALCHER, Amelia Daughter Lodger F 22 1829 Lacemaker
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire
MALCHER, George Grand Son Lodger M 0 (5 MOS) 1851
Aspley, Bedfordshire

Joseph's POB is given as Newport Pagnell, Bucks - which isn't that far from Woburn, where Joseph and Emily married - I think I would get that marriage cert if only to find out his father's name.

Potty

Gosh that sounds interesting, I wonder then if for some reason they changed their name.

I will pursue that in the later census records to see if it shows any further clues.

Much obliged for your help

George

No Rule that one out as wife is Amelia. Joseph is an ag lab

BUT there is a Sarah Butcher listed in the household

1851
Class: HO107; Piece: 1755; Folio: 35; Page: 30; GSU roll: 87683-87684.