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Thank you Sylviain Canada. I will have a look at this all this evening. There certainly seem to be quite a few children born out of wedlock in this family! My friend who is Harriet's daughter was born only a couple of months after Harriet was married as well.

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possible birth registration for Mary Jane

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
Houghton Mary Ormskirk 8b 866

from a Public Family tree on ancestry for Harriet, with information from the birth and marriage certificates .............


Cropper/Rimmer Tree 1
Owner: jrebec30


Birth
1865 21 Jan
Blowick North Meols Lancaster
Birth certificate is under Houghton, father not named. Marriage lines is under Aughton It also looks like Thomas Melvin never adopted Harriett as he is not named on marriage certificate either.


Marriage
1886 13 Apr — Age: 21
Lancashire, United Kingdom
Abode at time of marriage Bispham Road, Witnesses, Laurence Rimmer and Margaret Howard Father unknown. It looks like her two children born before marrying Geoffrey were born out of wedlock, she is down as a spinster on marriage certificate.





from freebmd


Births Mar 1865 (>99%)

Houghton Harriet Ormskirk 8b 690

Have you traced Mary Jane's mother further back?


It seems that Houghton / Haughton / Aughton was her mother's maiden name


from the 1891 Census ........... Thomas Melwin / Melvin is Harriet's father, with sons Thomas age 15 and John age 12


This 1881 Census seems to fit the known facts


1881 Census

Name: Thomas Melvin
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Bella Melvin
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 18 Stonehewer St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Carter
Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Piece: 3998
Folio: 109
Page Number: 22

Thomas Melvin 36
Bella Melvin 40 b.ca 1841, Manchester
Harriet Melvin 19 b.ca 1862, Manchester, Dress Maker
Robt. H. Melvin 5
John T. Melvin 2




This looks as though it might be the marriage ................... and if so Harriet was born before her mother's marriage


Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
AUGHTON Isabella Ormskirk 8b 1098
Melvin Thomas Ormskirk 8b 1098



1871 Census

Name: Isabella Aughton
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Aughton
Mother's name: Margaret Aughton
Gender: Female
Where born: Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Meols
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts
Town: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 3876
Folio: 120
Page Number: 28

Henry Aughton 65 b.ca 1806, Scarisbrook, Lancashire, Ag Lab
Margaret Aughton 67 b.ca 1804, Burscough, Lancashire
Isabella Aughton 28 Ag Lab
Mary Aughton 22 b.ca 1849, Scarisbrook, Ag Lab
Thomas Aughton 17 b.ca 1854, North Meols, Lancashire,Ag Lab
William Aughton 17 b.ca 1854, North Meols, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Aughton 15 b.ca 1856, North Meols, Scholar
Harriett Aughton 6 b.ca 1865, North Meols, Granddaughter, Scholar

Address:- Row Lane, Cottage





Lancashire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 about Isabella Houghton

Name: Isabella Houghton
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1843
Parish: Halsall, St Cuthbert, Lancashire, England
Father: Henry Houghton
Mother: Margaret Houghton
Register Type: Parish Registers
Reference Number: Pr 3377/1/2


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Address:- Scarisbrick
Father occupation:- Labourer

Thank you Rootgather and Rambling Rose for your help that was so quick!

Yes that is it

Births Dec 1909 (>99%)
HOUGHTON Thomas Stanley Ormskirk 8b 831

Rambling Rose - Sorry I have just realised that he would have been born Houghton and was then reregistered as Hosker

Rambling Rose - does this mean that Thomas Hosker's birth was reregistered in 1927? If so do you know what the possible reason for this would be. Thank you

There are 5 more Hosker/Houghton children born Ormskirk after Thomas

Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Hosker Ann Houghton Ormskirk 8b 1682
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Hosker Esther Houghton Ormskirk 8b 1745
Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Hosker James Houghton Ormskirk 8b 1024
Births Mar 1927 (>99%)
Hosker James K Houghton Ormskirk 8b 1413
Births Jun 1927 (>99%)
Hosker Thomas S Houghton Ormskirk 8b 1436

ADD Re that last one "Births Jun 1927
Hosker Thomas S. Houghton Ormskirk 8b 1436 pafc
The above transcription represents what is in the GRO index but it is referred to by the following entry
Births 1909 Dec: HOSKER,Thomas S,Ormskirk,8b,J/27"

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)

Berkley William Ormskirk 8b 1198
BLUNDELL Margaret Ormskirk 8b 1198
HOSKER Thomas Ormskirk 8b 1198 <<<<<<
HOUGHTON Mary Jane Ormskirk 8b 1198 <<<<<<

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1911 England Census about Mary Jane Hosker
Name: Mary Jane Hosker
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 23 Botanic Rd Churchtown Southport
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Ormskirk
Registration District Number: 457
Sub registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Piece: 22918
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hosker 28
Mary Jane Hosker 27
Thomas Stanley Hosker 1

Her mother's second marriage.

Name: Jeffrey Cropper
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Ormskirk
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 999

Records on Page:
Name
William Watkinson
Harriet Aughton
Jeffrey Cropper
Ann Rimmer

For ref this is Harriet the daughter with her grandparents 1911

1911 England Census about Harriet Houghton
Name: Harriet Houghton
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 163 Bispham Rd Southport
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration district: Ormskirk
Registration District Number: 457
Sub registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Piece: 22910
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriot Cropper 47
Ellen Ball Cropper 25
Irabella Cropper 22
Esther Cropper 19
Robert Hewry Cropper 16
Peter Peel Cropper 14
Jeoffrey Peel Cropper 11
Jane Cropper 8
George Cropper 4
Thomas Cropper 2
Harriet Houghton 6 <<<<<<<<<

Hi Rootgather, Yes that is the 1901 census I found. The only reason I think that this might be the right Mary is that she was working as a servant in North Meols which was her birth place and near to her family - but obviously I might be wrong

Is this the one you found in 1901 please?

Name: Mary J Haughton
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Southport
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3536
Folio: 138
Page Number: 20
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Cooper 49
Mary A Cooper 45
George R Cooper 20
Esther Cooper 17
Agnes Cooper 12
Thomas Jones 69
Hannah Jones 68
Elizabeth A Anghton 20
Mary J Haughton 19

For ref.

1891 England Census about Mary Jane Haughton
Name: Mary Jane Haughton
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Harriet Cropper
Gender: Female
Where born: North Meols, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Meols
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3034
Folio: 130
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Geoffrey P Cropper 26
Harriet Cropper 27
Ellen B Cropper 5
Isabella Cropper 2
William Haughton 10
Mary Jane Haughton 8
Thomas Melwin 46 Father in law
Robert H Melwin 15
John S Melwin 12

I am helping a friend with her family tree but we have both got stuck on Mary Jane Houghton. She was born in 1882 in North Meols, Lancashire. I have found her in the 1891 census but her surname is spelt Haughton. This is definitely the correct one as her mother had married a man by the name of Cropper and my friend remembers that this is correct. I may have found the lady in the 1901 census as a servant and again the spelling is Haughton but the place of birth is not correct. I cannot find a marriage for her at all. My friend says that she knows the lady did get married but it was after the birth of her daughter Harriet. Can anyone help? Thanks