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OK - re-reading all the posts in the earlier part of this thread, before we were side-tracked by Annie Ellen Hooper!

To recap -

On page 4 you posted info from a descendant of Annie, who confirmed that Annie had died in Bristol in 1904, aged 39.
That's the death suggested by Sylvia on page 1 - surname Cousins.

We have various sightings of Annie, either directly or indirectly (via births of her children) all the way back to her marriage in 1883 to Simon Moore Wilton in Liskeard, Cornwall 1883.

Her father was William, a labourer.
Her address was Pipe Well Street, Callington, Cornwall

Her stated age at death suggests birth c1865.
At marriage in 1883 she says she's 21, implying birth c1862.
1901 census, posted by safc on page 1, says she was born c1870 in Launceston, Cornwall.

Presumably approx 1862/1865 is more likely, given her marriage in 1883.

The only Cornwall births of a Townsend with first name anything like Annie, 1860-70, are the two already suggested;

Susan Ann , 1865, Tavistock
and
Elizabeth Ann, 1868, Liskeard.

Susan Ann had father William (quarryman), and sister Bessie.
Living in Tavistock in 1881.
Born Milton Abbot, Devon.

We can rule her out:

Susan A Townsend
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Susan A Townsend
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1866
Birth Place: Milton Abbot, Devon, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Residence Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Landport
ED, Institution or Vessel: 51
Neighbors:
Piece: 874
Folio: 37
Household Members Age Relationship
Francis B Bulkeley 62 Head
Rosanna M Bulkeley 53 Wife
Frances E Bulkeley 34 Daughter
Constance L R Bulkeley 21 Daughter
Nina St C Bulkeley 18 Daughter
Susan A Townsend 25 Servant
Elizabeth Ellis 23 Servant
Emma Woodruff 16 Servant


Elizabeth Ann's father was Richard - so we can also rule her out - which is a pity, because she lived in Callington where Annie married in 1883:

Elizabeth A Townsend
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth A Townsend
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: 1869
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Callington, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Callington
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Callington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 2233
Folio: 12
Page number: 16
Household Members Age Relationship
Richard Townsend 36 Head
Emma Townsend 36 Wife
William H Townsend 13 Son
Jim Townsend 11 Son
Bessy Townsend 9 Daughter
Emily Townsend 6 Daughter
Elizabeth A Townsend 2 Daughter

She married Samuel Griffin in 1889.



If the stated birthplace of Cornwall in 1901 census is wrong, there's no telling where she might have been born.
Re an Irish connection -
an Anne Townsend was born in Callan, Kilkenny in 1867 - but her father was John.

Oh dear...THE WHOLE HOUSE OF CARDS HAS FALLEN!

disappointing, but I wasn't, getting the "Irishness" I was looking for either, as claimed by Annie Townsend,
But as she is hiding somewhere in 1891, I think I'm looking for a similar sort of story.
Of course she could have just appeared from Ireland, who knows

A HUGE THANK YOU. Such good laborious detective work. :-D

Nellie Vera M Channon
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nellie Vera M Channon
Death Age: 69
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1904
Registration Date: Apr 1973
[May 1973]
[Jun 1973]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 536


Marriages Dec 1927 (>99%)
Channon Albert Jervis Bristol 6a 262
Jervis Nellie V H Channon Bristol 6a 262


Nellie Vera Hill Jewis
in the Bristol, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935
Name: Nellie Vera Hill Jewis
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1904
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1927
Marriage Place: Bedminster, St Michael and All Angels, Bristol, England
Parish as it Appears: St Michael & All Angels Wind Mill Hill
Father: Henry Jewis, seaman
Spouse: Albert Channon


Annie E Jarvis
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Annie E Jarvis
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1864
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 246
Residence Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Occupation: Domestic Unpaid
Line Number: 7
Schedule Number: 19
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: OAEM
Borough: Bristol
Registration district: 319/3
Household Members Age
Annie E Jarvis 75 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Albert Channon 36
Nellie V Channon 35


Annie's death:

JERVIS, ANNIE ELLEN 77
GRO Reference: 1942 M Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 131

Well done on finding the marriage!

Our last sighting of Annie so far, was in 1881 , with her mother Sarah, and husband Reginald.

In 1894 Reginald married Ellen Page, as already posted.





Annie Hill
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Annie Hill
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1864
Spouse:
William Hill
Child:
William G Hill
Birth Place: Yaunton, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingston St Mary
Residence Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Landport
ED, Institution or Vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 867
Folio: 57
Household Members Age Relationship
William Hill 29 Head
Annie Hill 27 Wife
William G Hill 1 Son


Annie Hill
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie Hill
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Hill
Birth Place: Taunton, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Portsmouth
Sub-registration District: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Piece: 1003
Folio: 84
Page Number: 4
Household Schedule Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hill 49
Annie Hill 37
William G Hill 11
Thomas F Hill 9
Alfred A Hill 7


HILL, WILLIAM GEORGE mmn HOOPER
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 538

HILL, THOMAS FREDERICK mmn HOOPER
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 485

HILL, ALFRED ARCHIBALD mmn HOOPER
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 516



Annie Jervis
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Annie Jervis
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Taunton, Somerset
Civil Parish: Hanley
Country: England
Street Address: 41 Beresford St, Shelton, Stoke On Trent, Staffs
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration District: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Piece: 16541
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Jervis 44
Annie Jervis 47
Nellie Jervis 7
Thomas Hill 19 - Portsmouth


HILL, NELLIE VERA MURREY mmn HOOPER
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 413


Nellie Vera Murrey Hill
in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914
Name: Nellie Vera Murrey Hill
Birth Date: 6 Mar 1904
Baptism Date: 11 Aug 1904
Baptism Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton
Father: William Hill
Mother: Annie Ellen Murrey Hill



Annie doesn't seem to have married either William Hill or Henry Jervis.

FreeBmd
Marriages
William Townsend at Taunton 5c 617
.... Spouse missing
After a search for Sarah Townsend same quarter she is found page 6c 617 Droitwich.
Original entry examined.
It is her, same page as William and I have added a postem today.

Happy days !

Thank you for all the efforts you have put I so far.

However, I must now decide if this Annie, with a difficult background, is indeed the one I'm looking for.
I cannot find a death or later matching census for Annie GILL. If such a record exists, it would collapse the whole pack of cards.

Comments please ?

Oh thank you, that could have been a big mistake....
perhaps we have the correct Sarah on census after all.

Maybe no marriage at all, after all that has been found, it seems Sarah had Annie to Murrey perhaps , but lived as William Townsend's wife,

Good night,

The timing looks ok, but I found info that this marriage was at St.Dunstans,London, 23rd August 1863.
Sarah Hooper's father was JOHN Hooper
Williams father was William Townsend

Hmmm - I don't think it's the right marriage:

Sarah Hooper
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Sarah Hooper
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Aug 1863
Marriage Place: St Dunstan in the West, City of London, England
Father: John Hooper
Spouse: William Townsend
Register Type: Parish Register


William's a shipwright, and his father, also called William, is a sawmill proprietor.
Address: 170 Fleet Street.

Sarah's father John is a Captain.
Address: 185 Fleet Street.

Marriages Sep 1863
BUTCHER John W London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view
Hooper Sarah W. London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view
Pearce Eleanor W. London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view
TOWNSEND William W. London 1c 133 Scan available - click to view

Thinking outside the box, this looks like them...

It's not the first time I've found poor relatives marrying in London.

Possible death of James's father ??

MURREY, JOHN 79
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 250

John Murrey
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: John Murrey
Death Date: 16 Apr 1895
Death Place: Taunton, Somerset, England
Probate Date: 9 May 1895
Probate Registry: Taunton

John Murrey of Taunton, retired cabinet maker, died 16 April 1895.
Probate Taunton 9 May to Walter Knighton Petherick, bird stuffer, and William John Jewell, chief clerk in the district Probate Registry at Taunton. Effects £315 1s.


John Murrey
in the 1851 England Census
Name: John Murrey
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Murrey
Gender: Male
Where Born: Taunton, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Taunton St Mary Magdalen
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Taunton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Taunton
Sub-registration District: Pitminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 4g
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 82
Piece: 1922
Folio: 632
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Murrey 35 - cabinet maker
Elizabeth Murrey 37
Ferdinando Murrey 7


MURREY, FERDINANDO BUTLER mmn BUTLER
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 10 Page 468


Ferdinand Butthe Murrey
in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914
Name: Ferdinand Butthe Murrey
Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1843
Baptism Place: Taunton St Mary, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: St Mary Magdalene Taunton
Father: John Murrey
Mother: Elizabeth Murrey


Given Ferdinando's middle name and mmn, as well as father's name and occupation, this must be James's family - though I'm not sure about his birth - the 1846 illegitimate birth I suggested earlier doesn't seem right after all, as it's after John & Elizabeth's marriage, but I can't see a a birth with mmn Butler or similar.

But he's never with his father in census - he seems to have been brought up by his grandparents ..

John & Elizabeth's marriage:

Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%)
BUTLER Elizabeth Mayne Bridgwater 10 563
MURREY John Bridgwater 10 563


John, Elizabeth and Ferdinando are together in 1861,1871 and 1881, though Ferdinando is called Frederick in 1881.

Ferdinando died in Dec 1881, and Elizabeth died in 1887.
1891, John's a boarder in Taunton.

Sarah Murrey
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Sarah Murrey
Age in 1911: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Mary Magdalene, Taunton, Somerset
Civil Parish: Taunton St Mary Magdalene
Country: England
Street Address: 84 South Street, Taunton
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 8
Estimated Marriage Year: 1903
Occupation: Laundress Domestic
Registration District Number: 305
Sub-registration District: Taunton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 14244
Household Members:
Name Age
James Murrey 66
Sarah Murrey 69


Sarah Townsend
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sarah Townsend
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Taunton
Civil Parish: Taunton St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: 81 South Street
Registration District: Taunton
Sub-registration District: Taunton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 2278
Folio: 127
Page Number: 36
Household Schedule Number: 248
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Townsend 58 - widow, laundress


Sarah Townsend
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Townsend
Gender: Female
Age: 48
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1843
Birth Place: Taunton, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Taunton St Mary Magdalene Within
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Residence Place: Taunton St Mary Magdalene Within, Somerset, England
Registration district: Taunton
Sub registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen [ 81 South Street ]
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 1875
Folio: 108
Household Members Age Relationship
Sarah Townsend 48 Head , widow


In 1881 she's with Annie and Reginald, as already posted.

So it seems she finally married Annie Ellen's father , James Murray/Murrey!

I don't see a Hooper/Townsend marriage.

In 1851 he has the middle name Butt/Bult.

He married in 1904 - a Sarah Townsend, nee Hooper - the same Sarah Hooper ??

James Butt Murrey
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name: James Butt Murrey, widower, carpenter
Gender: Male
Age: 59
Birth Year: abt 1845
Marriage or Bann Date: 21 Apr 1904
Marriage Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton
Father: John Batt Murrey, deceased, carpenter
Spouse: Sarah Townsend , widow <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father: William Hooper , deceased, mason <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

James's address: 84 South Street.
Sarah's address: 81 South Street - same as Annie and Reginald in 1881. <<<<<

We shouldn't jump to conclusions - but that does sound good.

James Murrey was also in South Street, in 1861 and 1851, with his grandparents Peter and Ellen Murrey.

Possible birth ??

MURRAY, JAMES -
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 10 Page 499

In 1861, the Hooper family (in your post above) is the second household before the Murreys in South Street:

Trying to follow Sarah, I suspect this might be her...

1861 - South Street, Murreys Buildings Taunton, St. Mary
Hooper William head 59 labourer Dunster, Somerset
Mary Hooper wife 47 Tolland, Somerset
Sarah Hooper dau U 19 Silk Throwster Taunton, St. James
William Hooper son 16 labourer "
Robert Hooper son 14 Baker "
Elizabeth Hooper dau 11 Glover "

1851 - Surrey Square FreeCEN, Taunton St. James
William 43 Dunster
Mary 37 Tolland
Mary Ann Hooper dau 12 silk winder Taunton
Sarah Hooper 8 silk winder "
William 6 scholar "
Robert son 3 "
Elizabeth 1 "

playing with the name Murray Hooper... I dont know if this is even relevant, but
there is a James Murray 26 Carpenter b. Taunton, also in South Street in 1871.

The above popped up while I was searching for any later sign of this child below, in case she was possibly a sister of Annie Ellen -
but there's no way of knowing without seeing the cert

HOOPER, MARY -
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 370

This is probably her death:

Deaths Dec 1866
Hooper Mary 0 Taunton 5c 243


There were also other illegitimate Hooper children registered in Taunton - eg - Henry, born 1863, died 1866.
Also Ernest, registered 1st qr 1870, died late 1870.


This other child is NOT relevant to the Townsend problem:

HOOPER, JANE -
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 459

Her mother, also called Jane (per young Jane's baptism), of West Monkton, married James Berry in 1862 and is with him in later censuses.

Thank you for staying with this. I'll examine it more closely .

I came across this, which looks as if it should fit in somewhere.
Big coincidence of names if it doesn't.


Annie Townsend
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Annie Townsend
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1846
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England
Civil parish: St Mary Magdalene
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Taunton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 2371
Folio: 38
Page number: 11
Household Members Age Relationship
Charles Hooper 24 Head, cordwainer, Taunton
Emma Hooper 24 Wife, laundress, London
Mary A Hooper 4 Daughter
Sarah Hooper 1 Daughter
Emma Trapnell 19 Boarder
Annie Townsend 25 Boarder , dressmaker, unmarried

Address: 119 East Reach.
Charles , with his parents & siblings is also at East Reach in 1861.
He died in 1875 in Taunton.


HOOPER, SARAH mmn LUXTON
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 391

HOOPER, MARY ANN mmn LUXTON
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 410


Charles Hooper
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name: Charles Hooper
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1846
Marriage or Bann Date: 23 Oct 1866
Marriage Place: Taunton Holy Trinity, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Holy Trinity Taunton
Father: John Hooper, painter
Spouse: Emma Luxton

Address for both Charles and Emma is South Street. <<<<<<<<<<


Emma with daughters in 1891:

Emma Hooper
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Emma Hooper
Gender: Female
Age: 42
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1849
Child:
Mary A Hooper
Sarah Hooper
Emma Hooper
Birth Place: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Wilton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wilton
Residence Place: Taunton, Wilton, Somerset, England
Registration district: Taunton
Sub registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 1876
Folio: 50
Household Members Age Relationship
Emma Hooper 42 Head
Mary A Hooper 22 Daughter
Sarah Hooper 21 Daughter
Emma Hooper 13 Daughter

In 1881 she's with Mary Ann and a son Albert, 9.

HOOPER, ALBERT CHARLES mmn LUXTON
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 414


Daughter Emma born illegitimately, 3 years after Charles's death:

HOOPER, EMMA -
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in TAUNTON Volume 05C Page 343

If you buy the 1864 birth cert for Annie Ellen Hooper it will tell you her mother's name.

I feel sure that's the right child.

So I'm back to... Who really is Annie Ellen Murray Hooper and mother

You deserve a medal, well spotted. I thought for a second that Sarah her mother had remarried, but that can't be, because she is with them &1880 :-S :-D