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Mum in law has the birth certificate, with the correct parents as above. I HAVE ASKED AGAIN. She just replied 1896, but will double check, just in case the copy is hand written (so easy to misread). I think it was from GRO and they send photocopy don't they?

BIG THANKS.

I'd already discounted the Beatrice/ Victor Searle marriage- can't remember why (it wasn't just the birth date)- I really need to make notes! I'll add if I remember :)

This is them in 1939- Beatrice birth is given as 1901:

13 Lower King's Avenue , Exeter C.B., Devon, England

Victor H D Scarle 09 Apr 1895 Male University Lecturer In Physics Married
Beatrice Scarle 03 Apr 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Frances Chow (Yih) 01 Jun 1916 Female Student Single
Jung Isang Zee 03 Dec 1921 Male Student Single

Fantastic... This is definitely them, character of the family.. My INLAW will be delights. Can't thank you enough.

I've just been guessing marriages for Beatrice and Kathleen..

Could it be Beatrice cousins marriage, Exeter 1924 to victor H L Searle.
Was attracted to 1939 Annie B Searle (Freeman presume,M they have Frreman) b. 1896, Torquay, Devon. I don't have find my past.

Kathleen, wonder if she is Kate Cousens marriage to John Unwin, Exeter 1917.
A death for a person called Kathleen Unwin Birmingham, mar Q 1974 gives a birthdate 15.3.1898.... But if this was the Kate aforementioned, that would be wrong, as our Kathleen seems to be sepQ 1898 birth Bristol .

Amazing work, thanks

Just for information- the was another daughter, Elizabeth born in 1894:

COUSINS, ELIZABETH (Mother's maiden name: TOWNSEND)
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 281

Baptism:
name(s) Elizabeth Cousins
Birth date 21 Jan 1894
Baptism date 11 Feb 1894
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, St Saviour
Father's first name(s) Edwin Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Annie
County Devon
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Unfortunately she died in 1897 age just 3

Oh- is that a mistake for Beatrice Cousins- You said birth date was 19th November 1896, but Beatrice birth was registered in the first qtr of 1896:-

Birth:
COUSINS, BEATRICE (Mother's maiden name: TOWNSEND)
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 67

Or did you mean that was the birth date for Kathleen?

COUSINS, KATHLEEN (Mother's maiden name: TOWNSEND )
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 6

Chris! It makes a change- it's normally me :)

Gillikins- the 1898 Bristol birth for Kathleen is correct- it shows Mother's maiden name. The 1898 Exeter birth for Kate Couzens shows mother's maiden name is Roberts- so not your Kathleen.

Now we have the birth date for Beatrice I'll take another look.

(lost the plot here!, but for some addresses, I have 'Ticks' as Viewed before for below..)

Chris :)


21 September 1895 - Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Exeter, Devon, England

ROW IN THE WEST QUARTER, EXETER.
At the Exeter Police-court yesterday Edward Thomas Cousins, labourer, formerly of Plymouth, but now Preston-street, Exeter, was charged on warrant with assaulting Lily Bees, neighbour, on the 16th inst. Complainant alleged ...”


27 November 1900 - Western Times - Exeter, Devon, England

CITY POLICE COURT.
Edward Cousins, labourer, of Smythen-street, was charged with creating disturbance on Stepcote-hill the previous evening...


13 November 1901 - Western Times - Exeter, Devon, England

EXETER DAY BY DAY.
Annie Cousins, of Preston-street, was summoned before the City Magistrates yesterday for using threats of personal violence towards Caroline Shapcott ...”

Yes. I was thinking this myself, maybe Violet not Wilton. Or maybe some of them have died, or they are under adoptive names. I have no many nots from searches.

Looking back to 1901.. It is definitely them. Parents do forget where children are born, but I'm wondering if we have the correct births for some of the children.

The parents say Kathleen was born in Exeter. Birth of the boards is Bristol sepQ 1898.
Could she be Kate Harriet L Couzens b. Exeter 1898. This one shows in 1911 as being in Bristol.

Just received info .. Birth cert for Beatrice Cousins , 19th November 1898, 54 Preston street, Exeter, so 1901 admission wrong, parents given as Edward Thomas Cousins, Annie Cousins late Wilton, formerly Townsend.

Nothing else certain so far.

Still having trouble sorting this out. It seems strange that she would have reverted to Wilton- although I can't see her under cousins.

Violet's younger brother, Edward remained with surname Cousins,

Her half brother, Leonard, remained with his adopted Cousins surname.

Her sister Ellen/ Nellie married under surname Cousins-

so why would Violet be under Wilton?
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Do you have any details for Kathleen and Beatrice?

The 1911 for a Beatrice Irene Wilton that was posted on page one is not Beatrice Cousins. (Beatrice Irene Wilton was the daughter of Edward and Bessie Wilton)

Thank you so much..I have similar problem

Gillikins,

There's nothing instant popping out at me- I need to look into it with a fresh head. I'll start again in the morning.

I'm just eating dinner- i'll take a look at Violet later.

Yes, 1909 was an error- should have been 1899:

National School Admission Registers

First name(s) Nelly
Last name Cousins
Birth year 1891
Birth date 15 Nov 1891
Event year 1899
School name Exeter, Rack Street Central School
Town Exeter
County Devon
Country England
Parent name(s) Edward
Book type Admissions

I'm guessing the Spriggs connection is the natural father of James. There are only four Spriggs in 1911 around Ellen's age. George Spriggs is in Hampshire, born Plymouth. Marriage for George Spriggs to Susan Payne b. Chesham 1883.. Marriage is in Chelsea, marQ 1898... Susan is found in Plymouth 1911.. I suspect James father was this married man ..

Would Ellen Cousins still be at school in 1909? Born 1892? Or is that a typo? Sorry.. Can't figure! G

Thank you so much Austin,
I didn't think we'd get results. But it certainly makes much sense to me.

I have one further request...

Her sibling Violet May Cousins. Her birth cert was obtained and we have her with the correct parents. She was born Smythen Street, Exeter, 9th June 1900.

The marriage suggested for her above was,
Violet May Wilton to Albert Edward Wheeler 3rd September 1921, St. Paul's, Bedminster, Bristol ..this one admits age 22 and father as Henry Edward Wilton, a deceased soldier. I can't find the father 1911 or this Violet to check her out.
Before, we passed it off as misinformation, as she was orphaned aged 4.

However, we now have a death cert for the Violet May married to Wheeler. She died 25th December 1987. Daughter listed as Audrey May Brassington, Ilchester Crescent, Bedminster. She may have married Arthur Brassington. Again I can't find a suitably aged Audrey that makes sense.

Another genes member sent 1939 register page for this Violet admits birth 6th June 1899.
He also gestimated a baptism he found for April 1898 at Bristol, with entirely different parents.

I'm worried now that we have the wrong marriage for Violet.

Sorry to ask for help again. But nothing makes sense.
G

A tree on Ancestry has a child born to Ellen before her marriage- listed as:

James Gideon Warren
6 April 1909 • Plymouth, Devon, England

The birth was originally listed under Cousins- It was then reregistered (or amended) in 1916 under surname Warren.

Births Jun 1909

COUSINS James G Plymouth 5b Mch/16
Warren James Gideon Plymouth 5b Mch/16

Cousins James G Cousins Plymouth 5b 402
Warren James G Cousins Plymouth 5b 402

I don't know if it was his daughter Ellen in 1911- it seems likely, but I don't see a marriage, and I've no idea why Ellen and her son are listed under Spriggs.

I know that Ellen married Samuel G Warren later in 1911. She married under the name Nellie Cousins.

A school record for her in 1909 gives her birth date as 15th November 1891.

This fits with her on the 1939 register (1 year out):- she's here with her son Alfred

47 Harrowdene Road , Bristol C.B., Gloucestershire, England

Alf Stan Warren 22 Mar 1913 Male ??? Single
Nellie Warren 15 Nov 1890 Female Unpaid Dometsic Widowed
Daisy (J) Oldman 25 Mar 1909 Female Unpaid Dometsic Married
George Oldman 29 ? 1901 Male Aircraft Clerk Married
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Births Jun 1913
Warren Alfred S (Mother's maiden name: Cousins)
Devonport 5b 581

Sylvia found ... Edward in 1911..
I'm wondering if Ellen 20 born Exeter is his first child b. 1892..
..but I can't find a marriage for Ellen to Spriggs, nor a birth for James Spriggs...unless he is James G Cousins born Plymouth JunQ 1909.,,as 1911 seems to say place of birth Plymouth, St. Andrews !!!

Any thoughts please..

Answering the question.. Who are the witnesses on Annie's 1883 marriage?
It was at the registry office. And the witnesses were Wilton's, Joseph and Elizabeth .. Shame .. No leads there.

Still awaiting certs. But it has just struck me that Leonard b.1889 knows he was Wilton, and of course stayed with this mother Annie known as Cousins. But he leaves his will to his older sister Elizabeth Jane, whom we imagine was estranged, being left in the workhouse in 1891. But he knew he was Wilton. Someone, perhaps Edward Cousins or Annie herself told him about his older siblings?? perhaps.
Or, did a recruit for the Army have to prove who he was?

Regarding Edward the last son, b. 1902, I have heard from a Genes member, that he married in England to Jaques and had children, so I presume he came back from Australia in?
Do we have the same guy?