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Perhaps Abraham and Morris were not twins as Abraham was born and died S quarter and Morris was born M quarter. I am not familiar with these quarters, how do they run?

Regards Marjorie

Just reading the newspaper report of Ellis's death, poor little boy.

? if sisters? though the birth years are a bit out, but not that far

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cannon Street Road, St George, East, St George in the East, London & Middlesex, England

Elizabeth Morris Wife - Female 46 1825 - Middlesex, England
Sophia Morris Daughter - Female 22 1849 - Middlesex, England <<<<<
Annie Morris Daughter - Female 21 1850 - Middlesex, England
Caroline Morris Daughter - Female 20 1851 - Middlesex, England
Julia Morris Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Middlesex, England <<<<<<
Clara Morris Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Middlesex, England
Alice Morris Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Middlesex, England
Joseph Morris Son - Male 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
Esther Morris Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Middlesex, England
Sarah Morris Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Middlesex, England
Kate Morris Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Middlesex, England

same family 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, Carter Street, St Botolph Without Aldgate, East London (City of London), London & Middlesex, England

Morris Morris Head Married Male 40 1821 - Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Morris Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Sophia Morris Daughter - Female 13 1848 Cloth Cap Maker London, England
Anna Morris Daughter - Female 12 1849 Cloth Cap Maker London, England
Caroline Morris Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar London, England
Julia Morris Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar London, England
Clara Morris Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar London, England
Harriet Morris Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar London, England
Joseph Morris Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar London, England
Abraham Morris Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar London, England
Mary Bryan Servant Unmarried Female 24 1837 House Servant Ireland

Hi everyone isaac's first wife Sophia died 18th July 1875, perhaps during or after giving birth to twins Morris and Abraham,Morris lived to a right old age but Abraham died 1875 perhaps at birth. Julia must have appeared on the scene between 1875 and. 1877 when she gave birth to Ellis Berg Gabriel(Ellis Berg was run over and killed by a horse and cart 1878 age 3 years) she gave birth to 5

more Gabriel children. Does anyone think Sophia and Julia could be sisters if they were both called Morris. Sophia born 1850 Julia born 1857.
On Isaacs tombstone there were Cohen Hands could this mean his name was originally Cohen.

Regards Marjorie

According to the Cemetery link I posted earlier, below was his first wife...

Chris :)

Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
GABRIEL Sophy 25 Woolwich 1d 600


Birth
GABRIEL, ABRAHAM (MORRIS)
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 989


Death
GABRIEL, ABRAHAM 0
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 603


(notes on GRO below also)

Birth
GABRIEL, MORRIS (MORRIS)
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1033

(not seeing on below, might be just before 1871)

England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869 (Ancestry)

Chris :)

(in case 1871 Family related to him, but not a lot for Morris either!)

Birth
FORDONSKI, MARK ( JOEL)
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 37


Marriages Mar 1866 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Fordonski Morris London City 1c 186
JOEL Dinah London City 1c 186

(perhaps just another Tailor/Waterproofer known to him, or his family!)

I don't see him in the UK before the 1871 census - unless when he became naturalised he changed his surname, perhaps from something harder to spell or pronounce, or more obviously foreign.


Some advice on research into Polish genealogy here:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Poland_Beginning_Research

Thanks to everyone for so kindly sending me this info. I had loosely connected Isaac with Sophia Morris as that was one of two marriages around the time I would expect Isaac to have been married. Is there any way I can find out about Isaac before he was Naturalised and before he left Poland.

I am so grateful for everyone giving up their time to help mec

Kind Regards Marjorie.

http://www.cemeteryscribes.com/getperson.php?personID=I6548&tree=Cemeteries

(Isaac Gabriel on google search)

Chris :)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4135607

(should be on below also)

UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1916 (Ancestry)


(below was another, Newspaper article on his Death, after inquest, was knocked down by a cart)

Birth
GABRIEL, ELLIS BERG (MORRIS)
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1031

Death
GABRIEL, ELLIS BERG 3
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 669


(some other articles Newspapers, Find My Past and below, subscription needed)

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/advanced

Baptism of the Julia birth in Marylebone?


First name(s) Julia
Last name Morris
Gender Female
Birth year 1853
Birth place -
Baptism year 1853
Baptism date 13 Nov 1853
Place St Marylebone
County London
Country England
Father's first name(s) Walter
Father's last name Morris
Mother's first name(s) Julia
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Julia Gabriel's probate is also listed 1916, probate to Alfred and Gabriel Gabriel Tailors.

There certainly doesn't seem to be any record of a marriage.

1911 gives her a different YOB - more consistent with her death record:


Julia Gabriel
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Julia Gabriel
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 62 Hare Street, Woolwich
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: PRIVATE MEANS
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 2876
Household Members:
Name Age
Julia Gabriel 57
Alfred Gabriel 27


So she's likely one of these:

Births Dec 1853 (>99%)
MORRIS Julia Marylebone 1a 345
MORRIS Julia E London 1c 4


Doesn't help with the marriage question, though.

On the probate record for Isaac 1905 it gives probate to Julia Morris spinster, which may suggest they did not marry?

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Doesn't help but in case you haven't seen it.
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/images.jsp?doc=189005190093

Julia Gabriel
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Julia Gabriel
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Issac Gabriel
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 565
Folio: 54
Page Number: 31
Household schedule number: 200
Household Members:
Name Age
Issac Gabriel 59
Julia Gabriel 44
Gabriel Gabriel 21
Maud Gabriel 20
Beatrice Gabriel 19
Alfred Gabriel 18



Julia Gabriel
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Julia Gabriel
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: abt 1855
Registration Date: Mar 1916
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1395



Julia Augusta Morris
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Julia Augusta Morris
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 305


EDIT:

The birth above is the wrong one -

Julia Augusta Morris
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Julia Augusta Morris
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Marylebone
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 1103
Records on Page:
Name
Joseph Brand
Richard James P Conway
Edith Ann Horder
Julia Augusta Morris

Hilda's birth

GABRIEL, HINDALA ELIZABETH MORRIS Order
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1005

So she is and consistent on the later ones, drat lol

On the image of the 1881 census, Julia's age is clearly recorded as 24 years.

On the 1891 she is recorded as 35 years old.

Baptism of above if relevant

Print transcription
First name(s) Julia Sophia
Last name Morris
Gender Female
Birth year 1841
Birth place -
Baptism year 1841
Baptism date 04 Jul 1841
Place -
County London
Country England
Father's first name(s) Matthew
Father's last name Morris
Mother's first name(s) Julia
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Julia Sophia
Last name Morris
Gender Female
Birth year 1841
Birth place -
Baptism year 1841
Baptism date 04 Jul 1841
Place -
County London
Country England
Father's first name(s) Matthew
Father's last name Morris
Mother's first name(s) Julia
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain