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:-( :-( Any ideas I had thought tracking back from Canada Court martial might find John and his parents. Usually army enlistments show next of kin

nothing on fmp or ancestry

I did look at John Cross birth 1803 and baptism 1817, this would make him 14 years old. When John was returned to England from Canada in 1838 to serve his sentence for desertion he was 21 years of age. Perhaps his birthdate has been recorded incorrectly?
Marriage of George to Sarah Southam 1792 wouldn’t be his parents, too old ? his grandparents were supposedly George Snr wife Mary married 19 March 1786.
Missing a link somewhere.

This is my first effort trying to trace John and finding very confusing with so many John and George Cross‘s. I’m not sure who gave Dad the information.
Is there any way of tracking military records of John’s enlistment in the army, when he shipped out and subsequent time served in Upper Canada?
Appreciate and very grateful for all your help
:-) :-) :-) :-)

Probably the George who married Sarah Southam
Northamptonshire Baptisms

First name(s) George
Last name Cross
Baptism year 1755
Baptism date 11 Mar 1755
Place Flore, All Saints
Description All Saints
Denomination Anglican
Relationship Son Of John & Martha
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Archive Northamptonshire Archives
Document reference 129p/3
Source Id C0119/0428
Record set Northamptonshire Baptisms

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and the marriage of his parents - wouldn't be in keeping with your Father's notes that George Junior married a Sarah - that to me implies that there was also a George Senior (? Father and son) around at the time

Northamptonshire Marriages

First name(s) JOHN
Last name CROSS
Marriage year 1754
Marriage day 1
Marriage month Jul
Marriage place FLORE
Parish Crick
Spouse's first name(s) Martha
Spouse's last name Smith
Spouse's title -
Spouse's parish Flower
Event Type Marriage
By Banns or licence Banns
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Record set Northamptonshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish

Certainly not impossible Greyghost. I have ancestors who had children well into their late 40's.

Kath. x

Think the marriage we've both found Kath may be unlikely (but not impossible) to produce a child in 1803, never mind if the date has been transcribed wrongly

Northamptonshire Baptisms

First name(s) Sarah
Last name Southam
Baptism year 1755
Baptism date 19 May 1755
Place Flore, All Saints
Description All Saints
Denomination Anglican
Relationship Daughter Of John & Elisabeth
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Archive Northamptonshire Archives
Document reference 129p/3
Source Id C0119/0431
Record set Northamptonshire Baptisms

SNAP, Greyghost. Sorry, I didn't refresh the page before posting.

Kath. x

This is the only marriage I can see of a George Cross to a Sarah in Flore, Northamptonshire. Earlier than you thought but then so is the baptism of John Cross that Greyghost found:-

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name CROSS
Marriage year 1792
Marriage day 26
Marriage month Aug
Marriage place FLORE
Parish Flore
Marital status W
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Southam
Spouse's title -
Spouse's parish Flore
Spouse's marital status W
Event Type Marriage
By Banns or licence Banns
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Record set Northamptonshire Marriages

Kath. x

????
Northamptonshire Marriages

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name CROSS
Marriage year 1792
Marriage day 26
Marriage month Aug
Marriage place FLORE
Parish Flore
Marital status W
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Southam
Spouse's title -
Spouse's parish Flore
Spouse's marital status W
Event Type Marriage
By Banns or licence Banns
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Record set Northamptonshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

This is transcript only, No image available on FMP so can't confirm birth date here.

But as you mention parents as George and Sarah and also that he worked in Flore -

Northamptonshire Baptisms
First name(s) John
Last name Cross
Birth year 1803
Birth date 27 Apr 1803
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 25 May 1817
Place Flore, All Saints
Description All Saints
Denomination Anglican
Relationship Son Of George & Sarah
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Archive Northamptonshire Archives
Document reference 129p/5
Source Id C0120/0097
Record set Northamptonshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Transcriptions © Northamptonshire Family History Society


Don't dismiss baptisms that happen before marriage of parents.

:-) More help required if you can …
Bit more information my Father had in his notes
Johns parents - George Jnr - Wife Sarah - no maiden name ( notes say they married 25 May 1817 but can't be correct as John born 1816 or 1817)
Johns Grandparents - George - Wife Mary - no maiden name Married 19 March 1786 Floore Northamptonshire England.
Apparently John was employed as a groom in Floore prior to enlisting in Her Majesty's Forces.
Trying to find any siblings, his mothers maiden name and family, when he departed England for Canada, how long he served there before deserting.
Really any information prior to him being transported to Tasmania to serve the remainder his 14 year sentence. As I have most of his history in Tasmania.

Thank you all :-D :-D

from a tree on ancestry

Name
John Cross
Spouse Name
Susan Bon
Marriage Date
31Oct1846
Marriage Place
Tasmania
Registration Place
Longford,Tasmania
Registration Year
1846
Registration Number
336

Name
William James Cross
Birth Date
27/04/1851
Birth Place
Tasmania
Registration Year
1851
Registration Place
Longford Tasmania Australia
Father
John Cross
Mother
Susan Boon
Registration Number
298

Name
John Cross
Age
21
Estimated Birth Year
1817
Date Received
30/11/1838
Ship
Leviathan
Place Moored
Portsmouth
Date Convicted
13/07/1838
Place Convicted
Toronto, Canada


Susan Boon
1830–1906
Birth 10 JAN 1830 • Pitney, Somerset, England
Death 24 JUL 1906 • Tasmania, Australia

childrren


Mary Ann Cross

1847–1854
Charles Cross

1848–
William James Cross

1851–1913
Emily Cross

1852–1907
Sarah Anne Cross

1854–1926
John Cross

1856–1893
Hannah Maria Cross

1858–1943
George Frederick Cross

1860–1880
Alice Cross

1862–

John Cross
Australia, Tasmania, Civil Registration, 1803-1933
Name:
John Cross
•
Event Type:
Death
Event Date:
20 Dec 1891
•
Event Place:
Evandale, Tasmania, Australia
•
Gender:
Male
Age:
75
Birth Year (Estimated):
1816
Registration Number:
240

Name: John Cross
Arrival Date: 1839
Vessel: Layton
Province: Tasmania
Title: Ledger Returns A - R
Year(s): 1846
Place of Conviction: Canada CT ME

Could this be his baptism? :-

First name(s) John
Last name Cross
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1816
Baptism date 13 Dec 1816
Place Chalcombe
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Cross
Mother's first name(s) Anne
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Kath. x

:-D :-D :-D

If anyone can help me track my ancestor no history of him at all. My late father Had notes John Cross was Court Martialed in Upper Canada 13 July 1838 for desertion ( no details on company or how long served there) he was returned to England served time on hulks before convict transport on ship Layton 3 26 July 1839 for Hobart Tasmania (Van Diemens Land) 10 Dec 1939 to serve reminder of 14 year sentence. Any help would be appreciated :-D