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Catherine Brush

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Kay????

Kay???? Report 26 Jan 2022 12:21

The image of 1851 census written is ---See Page 1.against the Thomas name.,,,

Ann Smith is a witness to the 1845 marriahe,not Ann Brush.

No address is given for Catharine on the marriage,,,,,which was after 3 sundays of Banns,,,,,,,her age is given as,,,,,,Under.------ George is Full..

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jan 2022 11:50

Yes, I'd come to that conclusion, too.

In which case, we don't know how many other mistakes he made.

If Catherine's surname should be Stevens in 1851, was George not with her and Richard - or did the enumerator just miss him out by mistake?

Her supposed middle initial S is probably also a mistake.


ADDED:

George was with his parents in 1851:

George Stevens
in the 1851 England Census
Name: George Stevens
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Stevens
Mother's Name: Maryte Stevens
Gender: Male
Where Born: Grate Missenden, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Islington
Sub-registration District: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 17
Piece: 1499
Folio: 251
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Stevens 62
Maryte Stevens 52 [ Mary on image, I think ]
George Stevens 27 - married, son, turner
Joseph Stevens 13 - son, single

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jan 2022 11:47

I think the Hunts are a complete red herring. I would suggest that the enumerator made a mess of copying to the record sheets

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jan 2022 11:45

Oops......missed that one. Thanks, AG

Which leads me to

STEPHENS, RICHARD RUSH
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 294

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jan 2022 11:44

STEPHENS, JOSEPH WILLIAM mmn BRUSH
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 268

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jan 2022 11:12

FMP's 1851, which is a somewhat more accurate transcription than Ancestry's shambles


Golden Lane, Saint Lukes, St Luke, London & Middlesex, England
Richard Hunt Head Married Male 56 1795 Labourer in iron foundry East Grinstead, Sussex, England
Mary Hunt Wife Married Female 54 1797 Labourer wife Galway, Ireland
Catharine S Hunt Daughter Married Female 24 1827 Shoe binder Gibraltar
Richard Stevens Grand son - Male 2 1849 Home St Luke's, Middlesex, England

There is no birth for Richard Stevens on the GRO with either MMN Brush OR Hunt

Ditto Joseph who is on 1861 census


What was her address when she married?

Annabel

Annabel Report 26 Jan 2022 11:08

Thank you all for your interest

, have the census for Catherine all say Gibraltar apart from one, also birth cert for George Stevens born 1855 mother Catherine Stevens nee Brush, also marriage cert to George Stevens.
can not find a birth Richard Stevens born St Lukes 1849

Have looked up other Catherine Brush's but ruled them out, try as I might can not find a link to Richard and Mary Hunt

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jan 2022 11:04

Note spelling of forename, which is NOT as per OP


Name George Stevens
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Catharine Brush
Spouse's Sex Female
Marriage Date 8 Dec 1845
Marriage Place St Giles without Cripplegate, London, England, United Kingdom




ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jan 2022 10:30

Catharine Stevens
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Catharine Stevens
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: 1827
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilralter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Park Chapel
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 166
Piece: 73
Folio: 49
Page number: 26
Household Members Age Relationship
George Stevens 47 Head
Catharine Stevens 44 Wife
George Stevens 16 Son
John Stevens 2 Son

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jan 2022 10:29

Perhaps Annabel's working back from this census:

Catharine Stevens
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Catharine Stevens
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Stevens
Gender: Female
Where Born: Gloucestershire, England
[Gibraltar] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gibraltar on image
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Deptford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: Greenwich
Sub-registration District: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 162
Piece: 395
Folio: 62
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stevens 37
Catharine Stevens 34 - boot binder
Richard Stevens 12 - St Luke, Middlesex
Joseph Stevens 10
George Stevens 6
Maria Stevens 4

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jan 2022 09:48

From Ancestry -
this is the 1851 record Annabel mentions - but this is clearly not the same woman who married George Stevens.

Catherine S Hunt
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Catherine S Hunt
[Catherine S Thomas] - [NO - nothing to do with the Thomases]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Thomas - [NO, nothing to do with the Thomases.]
Mother's Name: Mary Thomas - [ NO ]
Gender: Female
Where Born: British Subject, Gibraltar
Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street
Ecclesiastical parish: Charterhouse St Thomas
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: St Luke
Sub-registration District: Whitecross Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 41
Piece: 1522
Folio: 293
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thomas 42 - THE THOMASES ARE ALL SCORED OUT
Adolphus Thomas 13
John Thomas 11
Thomas Thomas 8
Catherine S Hunt 24 - daughter , married - shoe binder
Richard Stevens 2 - grandson, Middlesex, St Lukes


The Thomases have been scored out on the image, with "NIL" written across them.
In any case, they were just one of several households at the same address - 104 Golden Lane.

Catherine and Richard are actually part of this household:

Richard Hunt
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Richard Hunt
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Hunt
Gender: Male
Where Born: East Grinstead, Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street
Ecclesiastical parish: Charterhouse St Thomas
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: St Luke
Sub-registration District: Whitecross Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 41
Piece: 1522
Folio: 293
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Hunt 56 - labourer in iron foundry
Mary Hunt 54 - Galway, Ireland


Even forgetting the Thomases, it doesn't make sense.
If that Catherine is the daughter of Richard and Mary, then she can't be married - unless the enumerator got mixed up with the surnames.


Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Jan 2022 08:47

Where do you get she was born Gibraltar?

1851 census
Name: Catherine Stevens
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Stevens
Gender: Female
Where Born: St Giles, London, England
Civil Parish: Brighton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Brighton
Sub-registration District: Kemp Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 45
Piece: 1644
Folio: 215
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stevens 45 occ hawker of silk goods
Catherine Stevens 28

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Jan 2022 08:38

Name: Catharine Brush
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1845
Marriage Place: St Giles Without Cripplegate, City of London, England
Father:
Samuel Brush
Spouse:
George Stevens
Register Type: Parish Register

So father was a tailor

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Jan 2022 08:29

And another birth so they were still together

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
STEVENS, MARIA BRUSH
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 66


Name: Maria Stevens
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1860
Baptism Place: St Nicholas, Deptford, Greenwich, England
Father:
George Stevens
Mother:
Catherine Stevens
Register Type: Parish Register

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Jan 2022 08:25

This looks like a son

STEVENS, GEORGE BRUSH
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 583


Get the cert for it’s details

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Jan 2022 08:22

Why would Catherine be Hunt on the 1851 census ?

Annabel

Annabel Report 26 Jan 2022 04:19

Trying to trace the parents of Catherine Brush born 1827 Gibraltar, married George Stevens 1845.her father Samuel Brush a witness Ann Brush

In the 1851 Catherine married surname Hunt a daughter her son Richard Stevens grandson , the census page is all mixed , there is a Richard Hunt with his wife Mary.

Have being trying to sort it out for a few years but getting nowhere , a fresh pair of eyes thankyou. Ann