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ArgyllGran
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15 Feb 2025 16:46 |
They weren't all Irene's siblings.
Some of those children belong to one of the couples, and the rest to the other couple. It's obvious from their birth registration dates that Olive and George can't belong to the same family, and neither can Leonard and Derek.
The birth cert is the only way to find out.
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15 Feb 2025 16:58 |
Looking at the 1939 Register - which isn't a census -
we can see that Olive 1926, Derek 1930, and Frank were children of Edward and Ethel, and that John 1920, Daisy 1922 and Le(o)nard 1930 were John & Daisy's children.
Without birth certificates, we can't tell who were the parents of the other children.
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ErikaH
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15 Feb 2025 17:59 |
Get a copy of the birth certificate - or the marriage certificate
Or wait until 2028 for the record to be opened..............
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Sidami
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17 Feb 2025 12:01 |
I can’t find Christopher Cyril Chamberlain in 1901 or 1911 born 1895 Poplar? Any help pleased.
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ErikaH
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17 Feb 2025 12:04 |
WHERE did you look? WHY do you think he was born in POPLAR? He wasn't..............................you should look for his birth registration!!
1911 Census For England & Wales 87 Rose Hill Road Ipswich, Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Florence Lilian Chamberlain Widow Widow Female 37 1874 - Thorpe Nr Aldeburgh Suffolk Christopher Cyril Chamberlain Son - Male 16 1895 Apprenticed engineering Frimley St Marys Suffolk Francis Augustus Chamberlain Son - Male 15 1896 Clerk Frimley St Marys Suffolk Basil Montague Chamberlain Son - Male 11 1900 School Frimley St Marys Suffolk Nigel Eric Chamberlain Son - Male 9 1902 School St Barthemius Ipswich Angus Bernard Chamberlain Son - Male 7 1904 School St Barthemius Ipswich Aubrey Langton Chamberlain Son - Male 3 1908 School St Barthemius Ipswich
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greyghost
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17 Feb 2025 12:06 |
If this is the man you mean, he was living in Poplar in 1921 but born in Suffolk
1921 Census Of England & Wales 36, St Stephen's Road, Poplar Borough, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer Christopher Cyril Chamberlain Head Male 1894 27 Suffolk, England Manager S Andrews, (Licensed Victualler, 260 Roman Rd Bow E3) Dorothy Chamberlain Wife Female 1898 22 Bow, Middlesex, England Bar Assistant L W Farns Ant (Licensed Victualler) Laura Buckingham Mother-in-law Female 1872 49 Halstead, Essex, England Home Duties -
Original shows birth place as Trimley or Frimley
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ErikaH
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17 Feb 2025 12:08 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 20, Wakefield Street, East Ham, West Ham, London & Essex, England
George Westhorp Head Married Male 58 1843 Fishmonger Thorpe, Suffolk, England Emma Alice Westhorp Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Walton, Suffolk, England Emily Westhorp Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Drapers assistant Thorpe, Suffolk, England George Westhorp Son Single Male 17 1884 Fishmonger Suffolk, England Emma Pallant Mother-in-law Widow Female 66 1835 Lodging housekeeper Walton, Suffolk, England Christopher Chamberlain Grand son Single Male 6 1895 - Fring, Suffolk, England
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greyghost
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17 Feb 2025 12:09 |
So this is likely to be his birth registration
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CHAMBERLAIN, CHRISTOPHER CYRIL WESTHORP GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in WOODBRIDGE Volume 04A Page 865
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Sep 1894 (>99%) Chamberlain Christopher Cyril Woodbridge 4a 865
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ArgyllGran
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17 Feb 2025 12:10 |
Very easily found:
Christopher Cyril Chamberlain in the 1911 England Census .Name Christopher Cyril Chamberlain Age in 1911 16 Estimated Birth Year abt 1895 Relation to Head Son Gender Male Birth Place Trimley St Marys, Suffolk, England Civil parish Ipswich County/Island Suffolk Country England Street Address 87 Rose Hill Road, Ipswich Occupation Apprenticed Engineering Registration District Number 213 Sub-registration district Ipswich Eastern ED, institution, or vessel 03 Piece 10828 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Florence Lilian Chamberlain 37 Widow Christopher Cyril Chamberlain 16 Son Francis Augustus Chamberlain 15 Son Basil Montague Chamberlain 11 Son Rigel Eric Chamberlain 9 Son Anges Chamberlain 7 Son Aulrey Langton Chamberlain 3 Son
Christopher Chamberlain in the 1901 England Census Name Christopher Chamberlain Age 6 Estimated Birth Year abt 1895 Relation to Head Grandson Gender Male Birth Place Walton, Suffolk, England Civil parish East Ham Search Photos View blank form Ecclesiastical parish East Ham St Mary Magdalene Town East Ham County/Island Essex Country England Registration District West Ham Sub-registration district East Ham ED, institution, or vessel 59 Neighbors Piece 1604 Folio 88 Page number 7 Household schedule number 40 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship George Westharp 58 Head Emma Alice Westharp 44 Wife Emily Westharp 19 Daughter George Westharp 17 Son Emma Pollant Mother-in-law Christopher Chamberlain 6 Grandson
His parents' marriage:
Florence Lilian Westhorpe in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name Florence Lilian Westhorpe Registration Year 1893 [1893] Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration District Thetford Inferred County Norfolk Volume 4b Page 602 Records on Page (Name) James Lusher Chamberlain Florence Lilian Westhorpe
His parents and siblings in 1901:
Florence L Chamberlain in the 1901 England Census Name Florence L Chamberlain Age 27 Estimated Birth Year abt 1874 Relation to Head Wife Gender Female Spouse James L Chamberlain Birth Place Thorpe, Suffolk, England Civil parish St Clement Search Photos View blank form Ecclesiastical parish St Bartholomew County/Island Suffolk Country England Registration District Ipswich Sub-registration district Ipswich Eastern ED, institution, or vessel 06 Neighbors Piece 1777 Folio 152 Page number 20 Household schedule number 131 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship James L Chamberlain 30 Head Florence L Chamberlain 27 Wife Francis H A Chamberlain 5 Son Ward M A Chamberlain 1 Son Hilary E S Chamberlain 2/12 Son
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greyghost
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17 Feb 2025 12:19 |
Woodbridge RD covers amongst other places Trimley St Mary - (not Frimley St Mary - there isn't a place named that)
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ArgyllGran
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17 Feb 2025 12:24 |
Woodbridge reg district also includes Walton, which is given as Christopher's birthplace in the 1901 census, and is only about a mile away from Trimley St Mary, on the edge of Felixstowe.
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Sidami
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17 Feb 2025 12:30 |
Thankyou I was going by what the information my friend had given me
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ErikaH
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18 Feb 2025 13:02 |
:-S :-S :-S :-S
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Sidami
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24 Feb 2025 14:41 |
On the 1939 census does it give year of birth for Edward Boorman and his wife Ethel they were married 1823 Hackney please Olive Derick and Frank on it as well
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ErikaH
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24 Feb 2025 14:48 |
1939 REGISTER
1939 Register 54 Purbeck Road, Romford, Hornchurch U.D., Essex, England
Edward Boorman - Male - - 448 1 Ethel (Olive) Boorman - Female - - 448 2 ~??? Boorman 06 Apr 1923 Male Cinema Operator Single 448 3 Olive Unwin (Boorman) 06 Oct 1926 Female At School Single 448 4 The record for this person is officially closed.
Derek Boorman 22 Sep 1930 Male At School Single 448 6 Frank Boorman 28 Dec 1931 Male At School Single 448 7
Birthdates for Edward and Ethel illegible.
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ErikaH
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24 Feb 2025 14:52 |
Name Ethel Olive Boorman Death Age 75 Birth Date 27 Oct 1896 Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep 1972 Registration District Havering Inferred County Greater London Volume 5c Page 17
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ErikaH
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24 Feb 2025 14:56 |
1921 Census Of England & Wales 105, Overbury Street, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England Alfred Slade Head Male 1867 54 Middlesex, England Controller Claner Motor Examiner Llc Tramway Company Alice Slade Wife Female 1875 45 Newington, London, England Home Duties - Ethel Slade Daughter Female 1896 24 Newington, London, England Fancy Leather Machinist Out Of Work Workman Mac Kenral Fancy Leather Goods Out Of Work Walter Slade Son Male 1903 18 Clapton, London, England Out Of Work Elpage Pre Maker Cook Out Of Work Elpie Shop Florence Slade Daughter Female 1907 13 Clapton, London, England Fur Machinist E Eithracht Turner Winifred Slade Daughter Female 1907 13 Clapton, London, England - - Rosa Slade Daughter Female 1910 10 Clapton, London, England - - Annie Slade Daughter Female 1915 6 Clapton, London, England -
SLADE, ETHEL OLIVE KIMPTON GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON Volume 01D Page 186
Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%) Kimpton Alice Mary St. Saviour 1d 326 Slade Alfred St. Saviour 1d 326
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Sidami
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24 Feb 2025 15:15 |
Thankyou very much
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ErikaH
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24 Feb 2025 15:31 |
You were given the 1939 register info on page one of this thread........................
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ErikaH
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24 Feb 2025 15:37 |
First name(s) Ethel Olive Parish St Saviours Union Last name Slade County Surrey Birth date 27 Oct 1896 Number of case 234 Birth place 138 Walworth Road Country England Year Of Birth 1896 Archive Southwark Archives Year 1896 Document type Vaccination Registers Event date 03 Dec 1896 Dates covered 1895-1900 Date - Date range 1895-1900 Father first name Alfred Record set Southwark Vaccination Registers Father last name Slade Category Institutions & organisations Place St Saviours Union Subcategory Hospitals & Institutions Sub district St Mary, Newington Sub-District
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 24, Queens Road West, Walthamstow, West Ham, London & Essex, England Alfred Slade Head Married Male 36 1865 Stationer's packer Essex, England Alice Slade Wife Married Female 25 1876 - Holborn, Middlesex, England Ethel Slade Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Newington, London, England Elsie Slade Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Newington, London, England Daisy Slade Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Newington, London, England Walter Kimpton Brother-in-law - Male 14 1887 - Newington, London, England
1911 Census For England & Wales 15 Gilpin St Clapton Park N E, St John At Hackney, London & Middlesex, England
Alfred Slade Head Married Male 46 1865 L c c car washer London Hoben Alice Slade Wife Married Female 35 1876 - London Walworth Ethel Slade Daughter - Female 14 1897 Articficl flower maker London Walworth Elsie Slade Daughter - Female 12 1899 School London Walworth Daisy Slade Daughter - Female 10 1901 School London Kent Road Walter Slade Son - Male 8 1903 School London Clapton Florence Slade Daughter - Female 5 1906 School London Clapton Winfred Slade Daughter - Female 3 1908 - London Clapton Rosa Slade Daughter - Female 0 1911 - London Clapton
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