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I am trying to find out more about Agnes Johnstone (born 1853 probably in Kirkudbrightshire or Dumfries-shire). Could someone please look for her marriage to James McGuckian (born Parton Kircudbrightshire c 1841). Their first child was christened at Crossmichael, Kircudbrightshire on the 09.11.1872. Agnes Johnstone is named as her mother.

In the early 1870s James and Agnes moved to Yorkshire and the family feature in the 1881 census of Delph. Unfortunately Agnes's place of birth is given as 'Scotland' on that census. Agnes died in 1882 at the age of 28 and does not appear on any other censuses.

1851 Census Springholm Kirkcudbrightshire (All, except Peter,were born in Kirkudbright)
Peter McGuckian Head 53 Agricultural Labourer Ireland
Ann McGuckian Wife 42 Anwoth, Kirkudbrightshire
Hugh McGuckian Son 18 Tailor Balmaghie
Thomas McGuckian Son 17 Agricultural Labourer Balmaghie
John McGuckian Son 16 Agricultural Labourer Parton
Ann McGuckian Daur12 Scholar Parton
*James McGuckian Son 10 Scholar Parton
Peter McGuckian Son 7 Scholar Parton
Menry MGuckian Son 5 Scholar Urr

1861 Census Drumhumphrey (school), Kirkpatrick Durham, Corsack Bridge, Kirkudbright
Thomas McGuckian Head 27 Labourer Balmaghie
Mary Ann McGuckian Wife 25 Kirkpatrick Durham
Mary McGuckian Daur 3 Rerrick
George McGuckian Son 1 Rerrick
Jane Gordon Serv 10 Servant Unknown
Peter McGuckian Father 62 Labourer Ireland
*James McGuckian Bro 20 Labourer Parton*
Peter McGuckian Bro 17 Labourer Parton

Annie McGuckian Christened 09.11.1872 Crossmichael, Kirkudbrightshire

1881 Census Rhodes Yard, Delph, District of Saddleworth
*James McGuckian Head 35 Carter Scotland
*Agnes McGuckian Wife 27 Scotland
Annie McGuckian Daur 8 Scholar Scotland
Peter McGuckian Son 6 Scholar Saddleworth
Johnstone McGuckian Son 2 Saddleworth

Thanks in anticipation

Richard

Look for info using the Scotlands People website.

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

The marriage - if there was one - will be recorded there and you can download the certificate if you purchase credits and use some of them

MCGUCKIAN, AGNES 30
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 09A Page 165


Another child

MCGUCKIAN, JAMES JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 09A Page 247

Confirmation of the ones on the census

MCGUCKIAN, JAMES JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 09A Page 247

MCGUCKIAN, JOHNSTONE JOHNSTONE
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 09A Page 263

And yet another one..............

MCGUCKIAN, JAMES THOMAS JOHNSTONE
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 09A Page 240

Death of the first James
MCGUCKIAN, JAMES 2
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 09A Page 181

Agnes' age differs from the 1881 (age 27 so born 1853/4) to age at death in 1882 (age 30 so born 1851/2)
You say in your OP that she was 28 at time of death, but it's 30 on the death registration posted above.

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Just looking on the of chance they married in England - it didn't take James long to remarry after Agnes' death

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
LEE Eliza Ann Saddleworth 9a 359 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
MALLALIEU Louisa Mary Saddleworth 9a 359
McGuckian James Saddleworth 9a 359
Wood Hiram Saddleworth 9a 359

How could James be 20 in 1871 having been 10 in 1851?

And then 35 in 1881?

Thanks everyone. I've now checked Scotland's People and there's nothing there.

This makes more sense for 1871, I would suggest

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Muirhouse, Crossmichael, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland

Peter McGuckian Head Married Male 74 1797 Agl labr Ireland
Annie McGuckian Wife Married Female 58 1813 Servant's wife Anwoth, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
John McGuckian Son Unmarried Male 34 1837 Ag lab Parton, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
James McGuckian Son Unmarried Male 30 1841 Ag lab Parton, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Isabella McGuckian Grand daughter - Female 12 1859 Scholar Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Robert Hannah McGuckian Son - Male 5 1866 Scholar Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland ************unlikely to be 'son'


MCGUCKIAN
ISABELLA
(MMN) MUNN
F
1859
649 / 121
Lesmahagow

This is 1861!

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Drumhumphrey (School), Kirkpatrick Durham (Kirkcudbright), Corsock Bridge, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Peter McGuckian Lodger Married Male 62 1799 Labr Ireland
James McGuckian Lodger Unmarried Male 20 1841 Labr Parton, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Peter McGuckian Lodger Unmarried Male 17 1844 Labr Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dunrod, Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland

Peter McGauking Male 40 1801 Ireland
Ann McGauking Female 30 1811 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Hugh McGauking Male 8 1833 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Thomas McGauking Male 7 1834 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
John McGauking Male 5 1836 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Barnet McGauking Male 5 1836 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Ann McGauking Female 3 1838 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
James McGauking Male 0 1841 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Elizabeth Walls Female 60 1781 Ireland
Sarah Walls Female 20 1821 Ireland
Mary Walls Female 15 1826 Ireland

I'm aware that none of my posts helps to find the marriage, but they do clarify things, I hope.

Do you actually have the daughter's Scottish birth cert?

Not helping but the daughter Annie died in 1894 and there is this piece in the 'Stalybridge Reporter' 28 July 1894.

"It is with deep regret that we have this week to note the death of Miss Annie McGuckian, daughter of Mr James McGuckian, at Delph. Deceased, who was only 21 years of age, had been suffering from inflammation of the brain. She was one of the leading singers in connection with the Delph Wesleyan Choir and was very much respected. She had been ill about 5 weeks. Her loss is keenly felt, and much sympathy is expressed for the bereaved family."

Thanks again for the information, particularly the 2 censuses.

Richard

No help - but re 1871 census above, and young Robert:


Birth:

MCGUCKIAIN, ROBERT [ also registered with surname Hannah ]
M
1866
863 / 41
Crossmichael


Robert Hannah
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name Robert Hannah
Gender Male
Birth Date 7 Oct 1866
Birth Place Crossmichael,Kirkcudbright,Scotland
Father Robert Hannah
Mother Anne Mcguckian


Death:

MCGUCKIAN, ROBERT
4
M
1871
863 / 21
Crossmichael


Parents later marriage:

HANNAH, ROBERT
MCGUCKIAN, ANN
1872
863 / 5
Crossmichael


(That's Ann aged 12 in the 1851 census.)

Do you have Annie's birth certificate? Generally the place and date of parents' marriage is recorded with parents' names.

MCGUCKIAN
ANNIE
JOHNSTONE
F
1872
863 / 41
Crossmichael

The mother registered the birth and claims to have married on May 29th 1872, at what looks like 'Colindale', but I could be misinterpreting the location as the image is a bit blurred

However, there is no recorded marriage matching that 'info'. The conclusion must be that they simply didn't marry

Ann McGuckian (spinster, parents Peter and Ann) married Robert Hannah on 28 May 1872 (see my previous post) at Chaplecross, Crossmichaei.

Maybe her sister-"in-law" Agnes "borrowed" her marriage date - though one day out - when registering young Annie's birth ??


Agnes McGuckian/Johnstone's supposed marriage place was Colmonell.
But, as already said, there's no such marriage anywhere.