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Agreed, AG, not a child in 1911. Lost track of dates in the convolution of strands............. :-S :-S

ARMITAGE, REBECCA PERCIVAL
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 921

1911 Census For England & Wales
62 John St Blaydon, Winlaton, Durham, England
Thomas Holliday Head Married Male 30 1881 Coal miner hewer Cumberland Cleator Moor
Edith Holliday Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Durham Gateshead
Frederick Holliday Son - Male 5 1906 School Durham Blaydon
Hannah Holliday Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Durham Blaydon
Robert Holliday Son - Male 1 1910 - Durham Blaydon
Robert Percival Boarder Single Male 23 1888 Coal miner putter Durham Gateshead
Rebecca Percival Boarder Single Female 19 1892 Servent domestic Durham Gateshead

Rebecca, Robert and Dorothy were not with Joseph Percival and his daughter in 1901........can't, at the moment, find them anywhere

Ernest was 20 by 1911, so not a child. (Replying to ErikaH's post at 09:27)

The trouble with censuses is that they only tell us who was in a household on one particular night.

Maybe he just happened to be with with his chum John Henry Langman's family on that one night, for some reason.

On the other hand, maybe he didn't get on with JJM's new wife and had moved out permanently.

Check for the 1891 entry now and again.

For years I couldn’t find my great great grandmothers death entry between 1891 & 1901 census then after about 10 years of looking she popped up on the 1901 and I found her death later that year. But I’ve never found the death of her husband many years earlier.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
16, Grosvenor Street, Gateshead, Durham, England

Joseph Percival Head Widower Male 39 1852 Steam engine fitter Hexham, Northumberland, England
Edith Percival Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Gateshead, Durham, England
Dorothy May Servant Married Female 27 1864 Domestic servant Gateshead, Durham, England
Robert May Son - Male 3 1888 - Gateshead, Durham, England

ARMITAGE, ROBERT JOSEPH -
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 797

Name Robert Joseph Armitage
Gender Male
Birth Date 27 Dec 1887
Baptism Date 4 Jan 1888
Baptism Place Gateshead, Durham, England
Father Robert Armitage
Mother Dorothy Armitage

Someone lied..................


Name Dorothy Daley
Age 52
Estimated Birth Year abt 1862
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, United Kingdom
Death Date Sep 1914
Inferred Death Place Northumberland, United Kingdom
Volume 10b
Page 26

If your relative was Ernest (your post isn’t clear) one would think that he was JJM’s illegitimate child, as it would be strange, to say the least, for a man to take on some woman’s child if he had no connection. Although, if it was the case, why was the poor child dumped with neighbours by 1911?

Thank you all,

You have been extremely helpful and have found a few entries that I did not discover.

I guess I will have to accept that I may never discover the entry which is so frustrating as Im sure it hold vital info to allow me to see how he came to take on my Grt Grandad.

Again, thank you all
Jinet

You may just have to accept that you'll never find him in 1891.
We all have at least one person who seems to disappear from records.

I posted the info about his birth for the benefit of the helpers

Baptism entry
While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data
Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Northumberland
Place Newcastle upon Tyne
Church name (Links to more information) St Andrew
Register type (Links to more information) Bishop's Transcript
Register entry number 714
Baptism date 04 Dec 1859
Person forename John Joseph
Father forename Thomas
Mother forename Ann
Father surname MCDOUGLE MAY
Person abode Stowell St
Father occupation Plasterer
Transcribed by Christine Elliott
File line number 1497

yes I have that

John Joseph May
Registration Date 1859
Quarter of the Year Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Volume 10b
Page 51

I have gone through again in the 1891 census today and still can't find him. there are so many of that name or similar.

John Joseph’s birth was registered OND1859

The Home Guard in WW2 was also for men in reserved occupations.

John Joseph was born c1859-60.

I doubt if he would be in the army in WW1, aged 55-59 - unless he lied about his age.
The upper age limit at that time was 51, including for the RASC.

"Dad's army" in WW2 was for men unfit (or too old or young) for front-line service.



This is the same man as above, though no further info:

John J May
in the UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name John J May
Military Date 1914-1920
Military Place England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, United Kingdom
Regiment or Corps Army Service Corps
Regimental Number M/371701

Have you checked how many John Joseph May births were registered????

I have found this for John Joseph May

UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
R.A.S.C. (Royal Army Service Corps.) Pte. M/371701
Discharged: 14/08/1918
British War Medal and Victory Medal

which would put him at 59 yrs of age.
The records themselves are unaccessible.

The Royal Army Service Corps (RASC) was a corps of the British Army responsible for Military Admin - land, coastal and lake transport, air despatch, barracks administration, the Army Fire Service, staffing headquarters' units, supply of food etc.
So it could be him. My Grandad on my father side was in "dads army" at the same age.

Im going to send for the marriage certificate.

As ErikaH pointed out : The 1923 marriage was to a HENRY S....

Did anyone find John Joseph in the 1891 Census

Incidentally, thank you so much for all your help everyone, gratefully appreciated.

So, from all the above -

If it was your Ethel who married Henry S Nicholson, they must have separated before 1935, or else she died.

I don't see her as Nicholson in 1939, and don't see either a remarriage or death unless she had moved to some other part of the country - in which case it's impossible to tell which record might be hers.

NOT this marriage:

Marriages Mar 1932 (>99%)
Halliday Thomas H Nicholson S.Shields 10a 1358
Nicholson Ethel M Halliday S. Shields 10a 1358

That woman was a spinster, and was born in August 1909, per 1939 Register.

1939 Register
16 Albert Terrace, Whitley Bay, Whitley Bay U.D., Northumberland, England

Thomas Nicholson 17 Feb 1890 Male Insurance Agent Married 370 1
Ethel M Nicholson 05 Mar 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 370 2
The record for this person is officially closed.


Deaths Jun 1969 (>99%)
NICHOLSON Thomas 17FE1890 NTHMBLD.S. 1B 1039

Cook
HENRY STODDARD NICHOLSON
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Merchant Navy
M.V. Inverdargle (Glasgow)
Date of Death
Died 16 January 1940
Age 37 years old
Buried or commemorated at
TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Panel 58.
United Kingdom