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I am helping a friend to find her ggg grandparents, Charles Howe and Elizabeth Montague's marriage. I could not find any records of them for a year. She has been looking for many years without success. A son of her ggg grandparents was Alfred John Howe who was born around 1854 in London and lived until he was 22 years old to migrate to Australia. Sometimes he is named Alfred Hubert Howe and John Howe. However, we could not find his birth certificate. I found one possible in 1851 census that there was a family in Devon. Charles and Elizabeth Howe were with Ernest B. 1843, Frank B. 1841 and Hubert B. 1845 in Islington, Middlesex. I could not find them in 1861 & 1871 census. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Steven from Australia.

1871? Howe Name: Charles Howe Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Uffinghur, Devon, England Civil Parish: Islington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 121 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Baldock 48 Charles Howe 63 Elizabeth Howe 51 Hubert Howe 26

Hi K, Yes, it seems right family, thanks. But where was Alfred/John? Could you please tell me what relate of Eliza Baldock to Charles Howe (Head)?

Hi Eliza was a general servanr - Unfort have to dash out now but will look tonight if you haven't had success K

K, yes please. Thanks.

The birth c1854 may not have been registered.....it wasn't until 1875 that registration became compulsory. Reg

For clarity.............1851 Name: Hubert Howe Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's name: Charles Mother's name: Elizth Gender: Male Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 94 Household Members: Name Age Charles Howe 43 b. Devon Elizth Howe 37 b. Cornwall Ernest Howe 8 b. Plymouth Frank Howe 10 b. Plymouth Hubert Howe 6 b. Plymouth And the same family in 1841 Mary Hornibrook abt 1811 Charles the Martyr Devon View Record Charles Howe abt 1808 Devon, England Charles the Martyr Devon View Record Elizabeth Howe abt 1814 Charles the Martyr Devon View Record Frank Howe abt 1840 Devon, England Charles the Martyr Devon View Record Ellen Simons abt 1823 Devon, England Charles the Martyr Devon There is no evidence, as far as I can tell, to say that the family on the various censuses is the one to which your friend is related. The fact that the person she seeks has used various forenames doesn't simplify things.........lol! Reg

Does Alfred's marriage certificate and / or death certificate name his parents, or at least his father? Kate.

Hello Reggie, thank you for your time to find some censuses. That's interested they were not in 1861 census. I was hoping to find Alfred Howe with the family. I was surprised to find Alfred John Howe in FreeBMD that was Dec 1853 in Islington. It must be update. So the 1851 census the Howe family were in Islington. It must be right family, I hope. My friend will order this birth certificate. Yes, Alfred's parents' names were on his marriage and death certificates in Victoria. Maybe his parents never been married or they might be married before Sep 1837. There is interested that Alfred's children names were Elizabeth Lily, Henry Charles, Frank Ernest and Alfred Hubert. I just found out about them recently. So it looks like same family in the censuses. Thanks again.

Anyone could find Alfred John Howe in 1861 census, please? I still could not find him and also his parents' marriage. Thanks, Steven.