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Valmai replied in a PM and said he was a joiner in 1883 and living at 9 Hartham Road. He's not at that address in 1881. Only Herbert I can see in the area is a Herbert Smith: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Elizabeth SMITH Head W Female 49 Norfolk, England Dressmaker Elizabeth SMITH Dau U Female 26 Kilburn Dressmaker Robert SMITH Son U Male 24 Kilburn Profesional (No Occ) Herbert SMITH Son U Male 20 Eg...Road Carpenter Harriett SMITH Dau U Female 18 Eg...Road Profesional Frederick SMITH Son U Male 15 Eg...Road Brushmaker Flora SMITH Dau Female 10 Bow, Middlesex, England Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 3 City Arms Census Place London, Middlesex, England Rose

Seriously wondering about his surname, since I can't find a likely Herbert Wilmot/Willmot/Willmot/Wilmott/Wilmott/Willmott anywhere before 1891. Perhaps he chose a surname before he married? Since he doesn't put a father's name on his marriage cert, it can't be to hide his illegitimacy. Perhaps he had another secret? Or maybe he wasn't being accurate about being born in St Pancras - he might have come from elsewhere?

D*mn! There goes that theory! 1871 Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Regent Herbert J Billon Age: 11 abt 1860 Son : Pancras Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Margaret Household Members: Name Age Herbert J Billon 11 Joseph Billon 44 Margaret Billon 45 Margaret A Billon 14

1881 - perhaps. Image says Billen, but it might have been misheard? I can't find a Herbert Willmott or anything else like it. Registration district: Croydon Sub registration district: Croydon 6, The Pavement, Annerley Road, Penge Surrey [mistranscribed on Ancestry as 6 the Basement!] Herbert J. Billen 21 abt 1860 Servant St Pancras, Middlesex Occupation: Cheesemongers Asst Household Members William G. T. North 32 cheesemonger Susan North 29 Herbert T. North 6 Earnest J. North 4 William H. North Younger Than 2 Herbert J. Billen 21 It looks like they were living above or at the back of the shop. It may be coincidence that the North's eldest boy as the same first name as your Herbert, or perhaps there is a family connection?

Mistranscribed 1891 Registration district: Greenwich Sub district: Greenwich East Herbert Wilmont 30 abt 1861 St Pancras, London Head Judith A Wilmont 28 John F Wilmont 4 Daisy A Wilmont 2 Herbert A Wilmont 2 months Charles Wope 60

I take it this is the happy couple, 1901 Registration district: Greenwich Sub-district: Greenwich East Herbert Willmott Age: 40 abt 1861 Head St Pancras, London Judith Annie Willmott 37 Ellen Eliza Willmott 16 John Frederick Willmott 14 Annie Daisy Willmott 12 Herbert Alfred Willmott 10 Alfred Lawrence Willmott 8 Florence May Willmott 5 William Charles Willmott 1

I have found several illegitimate births registered before 1875, so it might well be that Herbert was illegitimate, and maybe registered with his mother's maiden name. Mother then may have married and Herbert taken her married name.

The odds are that the birth wasn't registered.......for two reasons; one, that he was probably illegitimate, and two, that registration wasn't compulsory until 1875. Reg

Valmai, What's his address and occupation on the marriage certificate? Rose

Assistance please to find the birth registration of Herbert WILLMOTT. All documentation gathered indicates he was born in St Pancras C1860. Herbert married Judith LAWRENCE in Islington in 1883. There is no father's name recorded on the marriage certificate. I have been unable to find information prior to 1883. Many thanks, Valmai