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This is the information I have from a MC 25th December 1842 ( Pakenham Suffolk ) GROOM : Robert Brook(s) of full age - Rougham.( Brickmaker ) FATHER : William Brook(s) Wheelwright. BRIDE : Charlotte Borley of full age - Pakenham FATHER : William Borley Labourer Witnesses : Maria Brook(S) John Borley Simon Mothersole I don't yet know how the witness are related to the bride/groom. Both Robert and Charlotte were born about 1820 ( from later census') Can anyone find possibles from 1841 ?...... ( It would be nice if Robert and Charlotte were at home with both parents !! ) Esta.

1841 poss Charlotte Ann Borley abt 1838 Suffolk, England Pakenham ===Charlotte Borley abt 1821 Suffolk, England Pakenham John Borley abt 1826 Suffolk, England Pakenham (Poss a witness?) Mary Borley abt 1826 Suffolk, England Pakenham Sally Borley abt 1830 Suffolk, England Pakenham William Borley abt 1801 Suffolk, England Pakenham ( AGRICULTURAL LABOURER) ***** UPDATE Address is BRIDGE STREET I think (nothing on their page, but the previous page states Bridge Street, and everything afterwards is ditto'd).

1841 poss Simon Mothersole Ann Mothersole abt 1832 Suffolk, England Pakenham Arthur Mothersole abt 1829 Suffolk, England Pakenham Charles Mothersole abt 1836 Suffolk, England Pakenham Geoge Mothersole abt 1826 Suffolk, England Pakenham James Mothersole abt 1828 Suffolk, England Pakenham Judith Mothersole abt 1835 Suffolk, England Pakenham Martha Mothersole abt 1801 Suffolk, England Pakenham ===Simon Mothersole abt 1801 Suffolk, England Pakenham (AG LAB) *** UPDATE Address is CHURCH HILL

Now that looks very promising for Borley... Going by the DOBs it doesn't look like there is a wife ! Does it give any sort of an address Please x

1841 William Brooks 3 possibles: 1 William Brooks abt 1776 Suffolk, England Rougham (CARPENTER) Address Rougham Green. 2 William Brooks abt 1806 Suffolk, England Rougham (AG LAB) 3 Wm Brooks abt 1806 Rougham (Same page as first one, no occ shown) Address Rougham Green. 1. Margeretta Brooks abt 1841 Suffolk, England Rougham Marry Brooks abt 1786 Suffolk, England Rougham Mary Ann Brooks abt 1816 Suffolk, England Rougham William Brooks abt 1776 Suffolk, England Rougham Wm Brooks abt 1806 Rougham 2. William Brooks abt 1806 Suffolk, England Rougham Elizabeth Golding abt 1839 Suffolk, England Rougham Amelia Miller abt 1831 Suffolk, England Rougham Anne Miller abt 1811 Suffolk, England Rougham George Miller abt 1835 Suffolk, England Rougham Mary Anne Miller abt 1828 Suffolk, England Rougham Robert Miller abt 1833 Suffolk, England Rougham William Miller abt 1806 Suffolk, England Rougham Emma Swett abt 1832 Suffolk, England Rougham 3. As per 1.

I've yet to find a Mothersole/Borley connection. Could just be a neighbour/friend I suppose.......is there any sort of address for them?......Is Simon also a labourer ?

1841 Robert Brook* 3 possibles, don't know suffolk very well, any near Rougham? 1 Robert Brooks abt 1821 Suffolk, England Great Barton 2 Robert Brooks abt 1821 Suffolk, England Hadleigh 3 Robert Brooks abt 1816 Suffolk, England Wyverstone 1. Looks a good match, but no William? It doesn't give relationships so RObert could possibly be a cousin. Occupation of James & Robert is Brickmaker. James Brooks abt 1786 Suffolk, England Great Barton (BRICKMAKER) Maria Brooks abt 1821 Suffolk, England Great Barton (COULD BE A WITNESS?) Phebe Brooks abt 1821 Suffolk, England Great Barton Rachel Brooks abt 1786 Suffolk, England Great Barton Robert Brooks abt 1821 Suffolk, England Great Barton (BRICKMAKER) Address is Barton something? More / Mare?? Can't quite tell. Maybe Robert is an apprentice to his Uncle? 2. John Brooks abt 1781 Suffolk, England Hadleigh (BRICKLAYER) John Brooks abt 1816 Suffolk, England Hadleigh (BRICKLAYER) Lucy Brooks abt 1781 Suffolk, England Hadleigh Robert Brooks abt 1821 Suffolk, England Hadleigh (NO OCC LISTED) Abram Holder abt 1801 Suffolk, England Hadleigh Ann Holder abt 1811 Suffolk, England Hadleigh Esther Holder abt 1832 Hadleigh Address is the Bessels/Vessels. 3. Farmers Jane Brooks abt 1821 Suffolk, England Wyverstone John Brooks abt 1838 Suffolk, England Wyverstone Robert Brooks abt 1816 Suffolk, England Wyverstone James Percy abt 1826 Suffolk, England Wyverstone Hang on for the others, I'm updating them as I find them on the images.

'Mags & Nicky' this great - thanks for helping. The 2 William Brooks from Rougham Green.that are on the same page - would it be possible to have the other family members with them ?

Right Esta! I think I've updated all above now with everything, but please let me know if you need anything else. I'm around for the next half an hour or so. Mags.

Could say carpenter and mean wheelwright I guess, Here is a description of what a wheelwright is: The wheelwright was a craftsman who possessed great knowledge of the properties of timber and whose workmanship was extremely accurate. Wagon construction was a lengthy process, six months not uncommon. Various woods were used for different parts of the wagon, all having been seasoned for many years before construction ever began. Towards the end of the 19th century, the country wheelwright found himself in competition with factory made wagons. Few wheelwrights remain at work today, a result of the demise of horse power, and those still practising often supplement their earnings with wider carpentry work.

Mags.. The 1841 for Borley - I believe is the right one. It's just a same there is no wife.( and no children born after 1837! ) Brooks is a bit more complicated. It's a pity that Robert doesn't seem to be at home with his father ( but then that would be too easy ) so I'll have to look into the Robert you found although it looks hopeful. The 2 William Brooks that you found are mine ( I hope )...it's the fact that ' Margeretta Brooks ' is listed...It's quite unusual and I'm 95% sure I've seen her before ( I'm going to check some paperwork later ). I'm just a bit confused as to 'who's who' - so to speak !....Do I have Roberts father and grandfather and therefore another generation !! All this information is brillient and I really appreciate your help. I will now go over all the information sort it all out. Thank you Esta x

Hi Esta If it helps here is some 1851 info, you might already have this though? With Ann Borley as DAUGHTER IN LAW? This could be step daughter though. Perhaps Charlotte had Ann illegitimately. 1851 England Census Record about Margaretta Brook Name: Margaretta Brook Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Charlotte Gender: Female Where born: Pakenham, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Pakenham County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Rougham ED, institution, or vessel: 11b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Ann Borley 13 Charlotte Brook 31 Edward Brook 1 John B Brook 6 Margaretta Brook 8 Robert Brook 32 (BRICKMAKER) Address is Bridge Street.

We've also got another MARGARETTA, granddaughter this time: 1851 1851 England Census Record about Margaretta Brook Name: Margaretta Brook Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Rougham, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Rougham County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Thingoe Sub-registration district: Rougham ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 85 Address looks like GREAT GREEN, ROUGHAM Julia Brook abt 1844 Rougham, Suffolk, England Granddaughter Margaretta Brook abt 1842 Rougham, Suffolk, England Granddaughter Mary Brook abt 1781 Beyton, Suffolk, England Wife William Brook abt 1777 Rougham, Suffolk, England Head (Can't read occupation sorry) So this must be your William, Robert's Dad? Do we then assume that one of his brothers has had these 2 children and perhaps already died? Mags.

or even his sister! Margaretta Harriet BROOKS Female Event(s): Birth: 19 MAR 1843 Bts For, , Suffolk, England Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Mother: Mary Ann BROOKS

Robert & Charlottes Daughter Margaretta Susan BROOKS Female Event(s): Birth: 04 JUN 1843 Bts For, , Suffolk, England Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: Robert BROOKS Family Mother: Charlotte

Here is Ann's birth on the IGI ANN BORLEY Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 16 SEP 1838 Pakenham, Suffolk, England Death: Burial: Parents: Mother: CHARLOTTE BORLEY

Mags...... Just to say another big thank-you. All this info is great. I'll admit I'm a little confussed but I'm getting there. I'm going a bit crossed eyed now ( and my brain hurts ! ) so I'm going leave this till tomorrow. ( have a cup of tea and a jaffa cake ! ) Esta x

wish I had a jaffa cake lol **waves bye, goes off in search of chocolate** Nite nite, hope some of it makes more sense tomorrow! Mags

I will leave this a minute............( jaffa cakes all gone !) remember Charlotte Borley ?......was listed without a mother in 1841....Well looks like I found a name ( via her brother ) JOHN BORLEY Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 12 MAR 1825 Pakenham, Suffolk, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: WILLIAM BORLEY Family Mother: SUSAN