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please can someone help me??? thisjennie white ferry is driving me crazy!!

Regarding ordering - you can't see certificates online for England and Wales, just the indexes. Use the references to order online here; www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ Cost £7 if you quote the details found in the index. Make sure you tick the box 'GRO reference known?' nell

just one last thing i have just had a quick look and there is a marriage for jane ferry to william steadman in 1888 which is more than likely the eldest jane... which could mean that if this theory about jennie is correct then possibly her mother was frances ferry? anyway like you said without a birth certificate who knows and until i can find out exactly where she was born i have no hope of finding that! although on ancestry bmd jane ferry born oct qtr 1895 durham, but the certificate is not showing up, do you know how i would go about ordering it?? night:)

i know its so difficult i dont know what other record offices to try other than the durham one, although maybe if jennie is ann's grandaughter then they might have sent jane away to have the baby! anyway nell i am off to bed! thanks for all your help tonight! night :)

Well, I have a couple of chaps who married wives with same name, birthplace and age, so that isn't uncommon - especially with a name like Ann. I suppose if you found a birth cert for any of the younger children it would show if mum was Ann Thompson or not. But the scenario of Jane being Ann's granddaughter instead of daughter crossed my mind. Maybe she was born White but brought up by the Ferry family? Tricky as without the birth cert you don't know that, and you can't find out without the birth cert. nell

the only thing that makes me think its the same ann is that i have info from 1881 to 1901 census and the age for ann adds up to it being the same one on each census, and where as yes it could be a coincedence that he married another ann who was the same age as his first wife, i am not entirely convinced! my only other theory was that possibly jane/jennie could be the daughter of the eldest jane although this is only a stab in the dark!

If you haven't looked for the first Mrs Ferry's possible death then you won't know if/when to look for a remarriage for George. If the ages are correct on 1901 census then Jane's mum would have been 50ish when she gave birth to her. Not absolutely impossible, but it would make me suspicious that she might not be Jane's mum. The census only shows relationships to head of household, so a child of the head isn't necessarily the child of the head's wife. nell

hi nell, yes have looked under white but found nothing concrete, i have also looked for another marriage for george but found none, and he is definetley alive and well when she married in 1912 ao it cant be another marriage for her mother!

Have you also looked for Jane's birth under White?

So are you sure that the Miss Thompson who married Mr Ferry in 1866 is the same woman who appears in 1901? I'm thinking the gap between children might be explained by the first wife dying and husband remarrying. nell

to nell sorry my mistake george ferry listed as miner on marriage it was spouses father that was carpet weaver! haha! sorry

to nell i found the marriage for george ferry b.1843 houghton le spring married ann thompson in 1866

to helen, yes her fathers occupation matches he is listed on both census and marriage cert as a carpet weaver, also the 2 witness' on the marriage one is a george edward ferry (her brother according to census) and a matthew horn... (i have managed to find a marriage for her sister sarah ferry to a matthew horn.) and also found the horn family living in the same place as the ferrys! so i am pretty certain that its the right family. jenny

It's also possible that the oldest child died and the youngest one was named after her. nell

Not sure how you know that the mother's name was Thompson? 1901 for ref Name: Jane Ferry Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation: Daughter Father's name: George Mother's name: Annie Gender: Female Where born: Durham, England Civil parish: Framwellgate Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Durham Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald Household Members: Name Age George Ferry 58 Annie Ferry 55 George Ferry 10 William Ferry 7 Jane Ferry 5 George is a coal miner.

to jess, thanks! not very helpful at all!

Does father's occupation on the birth cert match his occupation on the census you have found? For all you know Jane/Jennie might be listed as White on the census. You've found a family that match but it isn't necessarily right - she might be mistranscribed. nell

his, hers and theirs possibly

hi i was wondering if anyone can help! i am trying to work out this little puzzle! my grandmother is listed on her marriage certificate in 1912 as being called jennie white ferry, how ever no birth record can be found for anyone of this name! her fathers name was george ferry and with this to go on the only possible match i have found i.e right year of birth, right place, gives her name as jane ferry b.1896 co.durham. mothers name was ann/annie thompson. there were 7 children in all and this is what confuses me. jane b.1871 frances b.1873 sarah hannah b.1875 susannah b.1877 then a huge gap! george b.1891 william b.1894 jane/jennie b.1896 i know in those days they liked to name their children after themselves and relatives but why would you give your 2 daughters the same name and although not unusual now days, but why such a huge age gap between them??? also the 4 older daughters births can all be found in the durham record office but the youngest 3 are not there although on the census they are supposed to have been born in durham? i am very very confused but at the same time intrigued! and i have no idea where the 'white' came from either!! if anyone can help me at all i would be soooo grateful as this is really driving me crazy! thanks jenny