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Deborah - I'm crushed on this one. The other McPherson's don't appear to match up. My James McP came down from Scotland with the Royam Marines so I cant link him with the head of family. This will have to remain a mystery. I very much appreciate your efforts, thank you so much. Regards Roy

I just can't see Mary & Frederick........... the Frederick John McPherson found earlier is a real strong contender......... can you ID any of the family members he is with?? Could he be your Frederick but living with his grandfather's brother maybe??? If James is at sea maybe Mary Ann is in service or poorly?? or recorded under Russell?? Im afraid nothing is leaping out.

Deborah- I did see that in 1841. His father James was in the Royal Marines so in his blood obviously. Your right he could have been at sea but I'd expect to find the wife and son, exasperating this one. Roy

Have you seen the 1841 census where it states james jnr as a Sailor? Could it be that he is at sea on the night of census 1851? however can not find you Mary or frederick..........

Deborah In 1871 the family are in Plumstead. My whole family comes from Plumstead or Woolwich and their professions seemded to centre around the Woolwich Arsenal, even the women. Roy

Kate I hadn't thought of that so I haven't tried it. I dont have Walters brith cert but the 61 census has him born in Woolwich. Frederick was born in Halfway Street, Bexley. Roy

Do you have the addresses where Frederick and Walter were born, from their birth certificates? And have you tried looking up those addresses on the 1851 census? Kate.

Ah right........ will work with the 1861 census.......... Have you found the family moves around abit in latter census? I ask as james occupation is Stoker Engine Driver in the 1861 census

Deborah, those ones don't fit. I've tried all combinations I could think of such as Mc Pherson, McPherson, Mcpheron etc. but a big blank. Clearly the family couldn't afford the older brother buit I would have expected them to be together in 51.

James & Mary's son???? 1851 >>> Frederick John McPherson abt 1848 Lee, Kent, England Son Lee Kent Helen McPherson abt 1816 West Hendred, Berkshire, England Wife Lee Kent John McPherson abt 1816 Scotland Head Lee Kent Sarah Isabella McPherson abt 1847 Lee, Kent, England Daughter Lee Kent William Richard McPherson abt 1848 Lee, Kent, England Son Lee Kent

Deborah, You've found James's parents in North Cray.

Hello Deborah, thats not my guy unfortunately. Here they are in 1861. Name: James McPherson Age: 36 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England Civil parish: Plumstead County/Island: Kent Country: England Source information: RG9/410 Registration district: Lewisham Sub-registration district: Plumstead ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 93 Page: 22 Household schedule number: 121 GSU Number: 542632 Mary Anne McPherson abt 1826 Bexley, Kent, England Wife Alfred McPherson abt 1855 Plumstead, Kent, England Son Frederick McPherson abt 1790 Bexley, Kent, England Son (Frederick is age 11 on image) Mary Anne McPherson abt 1860 Plumstead, Kent, England Daughter Walter McPherson abt 1853 Woolwich, Kent, England Son

A much OLDER James............ James jnrs father maybe?? Albert McPherson abt 1845 North Cray, Kent, England Son North Cray Kent Alexander McPherson abt 1839 North Cray, Kent, England Son North Cray Kent James McPherson abt 1793 Scotland Head North Cray Kent Maria McPherson abt 1799 North Cray, Kent, England Wife North Cray Kent

1851 possible: Name: James McPherson Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1824 Relation: Servant Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Chiswick County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Source information: HO107/1699 Registration district: Brentford Sub-registration district: Brentford ED, institution, or vessel: 1h Folio: 551 Page: 26 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 106 GSU Number: 193607

Would that it was so simple. Thanks Jeanette.

put the names on here I am always surprised most times some one on here can solve things Jeanette

Has anyone found a way around a complete drawn blank in a census even if you've tried the most imaginative name interpretation? I'm trying, still, to find James McPherson born 25/7/1824 and wife Mary Ann nee Russell born May 1825 approx, and their child Frederick John 26/3/1850. The couple were married 23/4/1849. The family were either in North Cray Kent, or Plumstead/Woolwich (also Kent at the time now London). They had an illigitimate son, aslo James McPherson, and I can find him in 1851 with his maternal grandparents in North Cray. I can find the family in 1861. HHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP