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Thank you Elaine ever so much for all your help, I think it will keep me busy for a while. It may take me a little while to do my research as I don't get much time on the computer as I have a nearly 10 month old to run after. Thanks again Vanessa from oz

Well - not sure there is anything else I can offer. Sorry didn´t get you back to 1841 as hoped! You will definitely need to purchase the certificates I suggested to confirm the information found and to find out the names of the fathers of Charles Andrews and Elizabeth Ellen Smith. Also you need to trawl through the BMD complete images to find the marriage of Louisa to Mr. Johncey - and then order that certificate. Hope it has helped and given you something to work on.

If you have got some idea of when Charles Andrews died, then you can look through the BMD´s on Ancestry (free to use) for Louisas marriage to Mr. Johncey. The website address is http://www.ancestry(.)co(.)uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx (remove brackets) It is free to use - you need to search through the complete images - somewhat time consuming as you need to search through each quarter individually. Once you have found her marriage reference, you will need to order the certificate as it will give you an approximate age for Mr. Johncey - as well as his father´s name - which you will need to start tracing back in time.

I think you might have to purchase the marriage ceritificate of Henry Cook and Elizabeth Ellen Smith - so that we can find out the name of her father. I have tried looking for a possible birth certificate for her but have found two on the FreeBMD so don´t which (if either) is the right one Elizabeth Smith 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec Cirencester Gloucestershire, Wiltshire or Elizabeth Smith 1864 Apr-May-Jun Cirencester Gloucestershire, Wiltshire

This might be Elizabeth Ellen Smith on the 1881 census Mary A. Herbert abt 1841 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Fairford Gloucestershire Robert Herbert abt 1832 Poulton, Wiltshire, England Head Fairford Gloucestershire Ellen Smith abt 1863 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Niece Fairford Gloucestershire and possibly her on 1871 census James Caudle abt 1849 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Son Fairford Gloucestershire Thomas Caudle abt 1806 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Head Fairford Gloucestershire Mary Ann Herbert abt 1841 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Fairford Gloucestershire Robert Herbert abt 1832 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Son-in-law Fairford Gloucestershire Ellen Smith abt 1863 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Niece Fairford Gloucestershire ... which really doesn´t tell us much

This looks like the marriage of Louisa Cook´s parents William Henry Cook Year of Registration: 1883 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Cirencester County: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire Volume: 6a Page: 749 William Henry Cook 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec Cirencester Gloucestershire, Wiltshire Elizabeth Ellen Smith 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec Cirencester Gloucestershire, Wiltshire Note that on the 1891 census Louisa´s mother is called Ellen, and on the 1901 census her name is Elizabeth Ellen. This seems to fit in with the above.

Do you have any idea when Charles Andrews died ? - or a rough idea of when Louisa married ? Johncey

This is the marriage reference for Louisa and Charles. If you order the marriage certificate it will give the name and occupation of both fathers - which will confirm our findings for Louisa and will help us to find Charles in the census Louisa Cook Year of Registration: 1912 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's Surname: Andrews District: Witney County: Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 2556 Charles W Andrews 1912 Jul-Aug-Sep Cook Witney Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire Louisa Cook 1912 Jul-Aug-Sep Andrews Witney Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire

This looks like Williams birth (from IGI) WILLIAM COOK Male Event(s): Christening: 03 MAR 1858 Burford, Oxford, England Parents: Father: JAMES COOK Family Mother: MARTHA Martha names as Martha ties in with the 1871 census where she has obviously remarried to George Shepherd

1861 William Cook William Cook abt 1858 Burford, Oxfordshire, England Visitor Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire Albert B Crozier abt 1858 St Clements, Oxfordshire, England Son Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire Harriett Crozier abt 1852 St Clements, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire Isabella C Crozier abt 1855 St Clements, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire John D Crozier abt 1860 St Clements, Oxfordshire, England Son Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire Louisa M Crozier abt 1818 St Andrews, London, England Wife Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire Mary Crozier abt 1844 St Aldater, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire Samuel Crozier abt 1818 St Peter, Oxfordshire, England Head Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire Samuel Crozier abt 1850 St Clements, Oxfordshire, England Son Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire William K Crozier abt 1848 St Clements, Oxfordshire, England Son Oxford St Clement Oxfordshire

1871 William Cook William Cook abt 1858 Burford, Oxfordshire, England Wifes Son Bampton Oxfordshire David Shefford abt 1864 Bampton, Oxfordshire, England Son Bampton Oxfordshire Elizabeth Shefford abt 1870 Bampton, Oxfordshire, England Daughter Bampton Oxfordshire George Shepherd abt 1841 Bampton, Oxfordshire, England Head Bampton Oxfordshire Martha Shepherd abt 1832 Witney, Oxfordshire, England Wife Bampton Oxfordshire have checked image - surname is Shepherd

1881 WilliamCook William Hy. Cook abt 1858 Burford, Oxfordshire, England Lodger Fairford Gloucestershire Eliza Evans abt 1879 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Fairford Gloucestershire Elizabeth Mary Evans abt 1877 Prestbury Park, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Fairford Gloucestershire Francis Wm. Evans abt 1856 Shrivenham, Berkshire, England Head Fairford Gloucestershire John Packer Evans Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Son Fairford Gloucestershire Mary Ann Evans abt 1851 Bouthrop, Gloucestershire, England Wife Fairford Gloucestershire William Henry Evans abt 1877 Prestbury Park, Gloucestershire, England Son Fairford Gloucestershire William labourer

1901 census Elizabeth E Cook abt 1863 Fawford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Chedworth Gloucestershire Henry Cook abt 1892 Great Rissington, Gloucestershire, England Son Chedworth Gloucestershire James Cook abt 1885 Fawford, Gloucestershire, England Son Chedworth Gloucestershire Louisa Cook abt 1889 Arlington, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Chedworth Gloucestershire Lydia Cook abt 1895 Coln Rogers, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Chedworth Gloucestershire William Cook abt 1859 Burford, Oxfordshire, England Head Chedworth Gloucestershire Williams occupation shepherd

1891 census Joseph Clark abt 1872 Black Bourton, Oxfordshire, England Lodger Great Rissington Gloucestershire Ellen Cook abt 1863 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Great Rissington Gloucestershire James Cook abt 1885 Fairford, Gloucestershire, England Son Great Rissington Gloucestershire Louisa Cook abt 1889 Arlington, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Great Rissington Gloucestershire William Cook abt 1859 Burford, Oxfordshire, England Head Great Rissington Gloucestershire Williams occupation shepherd

Vanessa, Its probably best that you post any messages on this board rather than sending them to me personally. If you click on the ADD REPLY at the top of the page then your message will appear here in the thread - where you have lots of people only willing to see what they can find. Well, as the other Elaine said in a previous thread lets see if we can get you back to 1841 before bed time!! (Not sure if she meant your bed time or ours!!) Elaine

pm received from Vanessa Hi Elaine, thank you for replying. On one side of my tree I have only managed to go back to my great grandmother, Louisa Cook. She married a Charles Andrews. Her DOB 3/12/1888 and died 26/12/1989 in Cirencester. She was born Arlington, Cirencester, Glos. When Charles Andrews died she remarried a Johncey. I know nothing about the Johnceys, but I do have some old photos of them. I also have photos of Louisas parents who I know only as Mr and Mrs Cook. Louisa also had 3 sisters, Lottie (maybe a Charlotte), Laura and Lydia and a brother Jim (who I think died at the Dardonelles???) I do not know what their birth dates are or in what order they were born?? Does this help, Thanks again for replying

Vanessa, There are lots of people only too willing to help you - but we need some details !

We'll have you back to 1841 before you can say 'time for bed' !! Elaine ;-)

Give us some details of your UK rellies - how far back have you managed to go.

I have only just become a member of genes reunited. I have completed my tree as far as I can with the information from living relatives. I don't know where I can or should go from here. Can anyone give me any tips, advice or lend me a hand. It would be very much appreciated. I live in South Australia and besides my parents who immigrated here all other rellies stem back to the U.K Vanessa