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I'm looking for Elizabeth Coutts born Scotland around 1826! Bear with me while I give details...... Thanks

My Grandmother was called Jessie Coutts Greig. One of her brothers married a Coutts, so maybe there could be a connection here? Post your details and I will check with my Relatives on my tree and see if I can help. Janice

I have Elizabeth & Thomas Mills on the 1851 living at Rotherhithe, Surrey. Elizabeth age 26, Thomas age 25, with their children Charles and Thomas. I have their daughter's birth certificate 1860 which gives Elizabeth's maiden name as Coutts. They also had a son John Coutts Mills registered Rotherhithe 1853. I cannot find a marriage for them on freebmd or family search. There are several Elizabeth Coutts born in Scotland at the right time. Don't know how I can find out any more about Elizabeth. Any help or ideas would be much appreciated, Selena

Hi Selina How old are the children of Elizabeth & Thomas? If they were only in their twenties in 1851 guess there children were only young. Marriages on the Scotland People Site do not begin until 1855, so if they married in Scotland it would not show. If they married in England I could check for them on 1837 if you could hazard a guess at the year of their marriage. If Elizabeth was born around 1826 again this is too soon to check on Scotlands People site. There are 42 Elizabeth Coutts in Parish records, some which can be ruled out as too late & some too soon. It would be good if you knew where in Scotland Elizabeth came from. Better still if we could locate marriage in England as you could then order certificate and obtain her parents details. Let me know what you think? Janice

Thanks Janice. On the 1851 the children are Charles age 2 and Thomas age 8 On the 1861 they are Thomas 10, John 8, Elizabeth 6, Jessie 3 and Emily 10 months. All born Rotherhithe. Strange that there seems to be either two sons called Thomas with different ages on differenet censuses. Elizabeth Coutts is not with Thomas on the 1841 - he is with his parents in Rotherhithe. There is a Thomas Samuel Mills registered Rotherhithe 1841 but he may not be connected. Please don't go to any expense on my part! this is a really tricky one.

Hi Selina Looking at age of Thomas age 8 years in 1851 thought I would check 1840 to 1844 for marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth, no Coutts female married in these years in England. Decided that maybe the two year old child Charles was Elizabeth's and Thomas possibly son of Thomas Mills to previous marriage, so checked 1848 to 1851 for marriage of Elizabeth & Thomas and again no Coutts marriage in that time. There are male Coutts marriages during both periods and most seem to be in London area. But sorry no Elizabeth. Has not cost anything, I have years search on 1837 so no cost involved. Sorry I did not find anything. If you think of anything, let me know if I can help. Janice

Thanks Janice for taking the time to look. I do appreciate it. Selena

Janice, I'm not sure what your point is about it being too early for Scotland's People? Denis.

These are the matches for Elizabeth Coutts on the OPR of Scotlandspeople 1841 - 1851. There isn't a match for your man though. The OPR's on SP and the IGI relate to events in the church of Scotland. It's always possible they were married under a different denomination or are mistranscribed. Don't fret - Scottish ancestors are great! Records are often far more comprehensive than their English counterparts. You just have to find them!! 27/08/1850 COATS ELIZABETH THOMS JAMES BIRNIE/FR912 F BLANTYRE 624/00 0004 No Image ORDER 9 07/03/1847 COUTS ELIZABETH JOHN BRUNTON/FR1065 F WEST LINTON 773/00 0005 No Image ORDER 10 06/01/1844 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN MCLAREN/FR8303 F PERTH 387/00 031* No Image ORDER 11 15/05/1846 COUTTS ELIZABETH ROBERT DUNCAN/ F FORGAN 431/00 0002 No Image ORDER 12 19/11/1848 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN HUNTER/ F GLENMUICK, TULLICH ETC 201/00 0002 No Image ORDER 13 07/09/1849 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN NAYSMYTH/ F PERTH 387/00 0032 No Image ORDER 14 20/08/1849 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN MILLER/FR7945 F GLASGOW 644/01 043* No Image ORDER 15 20/08/1849 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN MILLER/ F PERTH 387/00 0032 No Image ORDER 16 05/03/1849 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN HUNTER/FR2582 U ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURG 685/02 0046 No Image ORDER 17 17/05/1851 COUTTS ELIZABETH GEORGE FINDLAY/ F OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN 168/B0 018* No Image ORDER Good luck, Jenny

Scotlands People has records dating back to 1553 for births, marriages and banns. They have all the census records from 1841 - 1901. Registration started in 1855 so your event would be too early for these records. It's a great resource for those of us out of the area. Credits cost £6 for 30, though these can be used up very quickly with just a few viewed images. Often if you find info on the site it is possible to view records online immediately, though this applies more to formal registration than OPR's.

Possible births? 1 03/10/1826 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN COUTTS/JANET MCROBBIE F GLENMUICK, TULLICH ETC 201/00 0002 2 12/10/1828 COUTTS ELIZABETH JAMES COUTTS/JEAN GILLRAY FR9038 F ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURG 685/02 0034 3 05/07/1828 COUTTS ELIZABETH JOHN COUTTS/JANET SMITH F ECHT 191/00 0003 Denis

Hi Selina Found marriage for Elizabeth Coutts on Ancestry FreeBMD Index 1837-1983. Marriage 1847 December Quarter District Rotherhithe, County London,Surrey. Ref: Volume 4 PAGE 461 Also one for John Thomas Mills. Marriage 1847 December Quarter District Rotherhithe, County London,Surrey. Ref: Volume 4 PAGE 481. Have you seen these? Do not know if they are the ones and if they are, why different Ref numbers? Strange, maybe they were both previously married to someone else? All I meant regarding Scotlands people was that births commence 1855 and run until 1905. So Elizabeth would not be on these births. Marriages start 1855 and run to 1930, so as Elizabeth was in England in 1851 on the census her marriage would have been earlier and would not have shown on this search. Births and Baptisms run much earlier, but without being sure where Elizabeth came from and who her parents were it is much more difficult. I have located a Elizabeth Coutts born 03/10/1826 who is the daughter of John Coutts & Janet Mcrobbie. In district of Glenmuick Tullich, no image available. Gross Data 201/00 0002 This could be the Elizabeth, but her marriage certificate in England would give her Fathers name, which would help IDENTIFY her Parents in Scotland. Scotlands People is great and the comments given by others are true it just takes time and variations of spelling does hinder some searches. Janice

Dear All, Thank you all so much for your help. I don't know how I missed the marriage in 1847 - I'm going to try to find it again for myself to see where I went wrong. Probably trying to match with Thomas not John. I'm going to order the certificate for Elizabeth. I am leaning to the baptism 3 Oct Janet Mcrobbie. I will let you know the outcome. I will be lying in bed tonight wondering what brought Elizabeth down to Rotherhithe and if her family came with her? Thanks again Selena

Janice, had a look on freebmd and found there was an error with John Mills on 481 - should have been 461. There is already a query on there that it doesn't correspond with Rotherhithe. I checked the scanned image and 461 is quite clear. Now I can be sure I'm ordering the right certificate. Thanks Selena

Selina Thats brilliant news, I thought it must be them, so now you can order and get to know who Elizabeths Father was? Let me know, it may even turn out to be a relative of my Coutts Relatives at the end of the day. Love Janice

Yes, I'm dying to know the outcome too! Denis

Janice, sorry for the long delay. I finally got Elizabeth Coutts marriage cert to John Mills in Rotherhithe 1847. also submitted a request to FreeBMD to correct the reference numbers which they have accepted. thanks for your help. Denis, I think you found the right Elizabeth Coutts born 3 Oct. Her father was John Coutts. Strangely enough she married on 3 Oct also, her birthday and mine! Thanks so much for all your help, Selena