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:-) I'll just have to be vague then. I do like to get as much detail in as possible, but as you have seen., it just isn't possible! Thanks for the help, Dan

And the ages of all concerned Liz, including Mr and Mrs Traynor, Mr Barge and the train driver :))

The thing that strikes me is how times have changed. Could you imagine the Sun using the word 'promptitude'? And Mrs Traynor would not only be busy suing the train company for allowing her son to fall out of the train, she would be suing the newspaper for implying it was her fault for not watching him! Complete with photos of all concerned looking glum and indignant in the tunnel. Liz

For the benefit of the others, here is the article: Miraculous Escape of a Child in the Mersey Tunnel An incident which caused the greatest excitement and no little mental distress occurred on Monday afternoon in the Mersey tunnel shortly before two-o-clock. When the 1.45 train from James Street reached Hamilton Square, a woman who had a baby in her arms jumped out of a carriage, and handing her baby to another woman, a perfect stranger, rushed down the tunnel. She hurriedly told a porter, 'My child has fallen out of the train' and Inspector Barge at once made for the signal box at full speed., and instructed the signalman to stop the train from Liverpool due at 1.30. This was done, and a search party went down the line, returning soon afterwards with the child, whom they found a couple of hundred yards down the tunnel. The little one was fortunately not seriously hurt, but had it not been for the promptitude of Mr Barge, the child would almost certainly have been killed. It was supposed the child had been playing with the handle of the carriage door, and, not being watched with sufficient care, managed to open the door, and of course fell onto the lines. The little one, aged four, is the son of Mr and Mrs Traynor, artistes, who were proceeding to the Argyle Theatre, Birkenhead.

Well the fact that the got on at a Liverpool station was the only reason. I didn't really see the word artistes as it's not clear on the orginal and my eyes aren't as good as the scanner :-) So you think there is no hope for me getting the first names?

Hi Dan, Interesting article, poor lad! I am not sure however, why you think the family were from Liverpool. Allow me to transcribe a portion (the only bit of info about the family in the article): 'The little one, aged four years, is the son of Mr and Mrs Traynor, *artistes*, who were proceeding to the Argyle Theatre, Birkenhead.' They could have been from anywhere, don't you think? I think travelling artistes would tour the country in the same way that theatre companies tour now - play at a theatre for a few nights and then move on to the next town. Liz x

That's a very good point. The mother and two kids are actually on the way to a theatre in the report. Looks like I may never know their names :-(

If they were artistes they could be from anywhere and just visiting with a theatre group or circus, couldnt they

Hi Daniel How about - they were artistes when they could get work but it wasn't considered a very solubrious proffession in those days, so he put down grocers assistant, which he did when he couldn't get work. That's without seeing the article mind you:)) Chrissie

Cheers. If you can posts your thoughts on here that would be great. Keep it all together.

Sure thing, will pm you my addy.

The ages fit in great, but the news report does put me off a bit with the occupation. Can I scan it and send it for your opinion?

That is the only family with 2 children. Are there likely to be any more? There are several with a handful of kids. Liz

Afraid so. However, reading again, the 4 year old is a boy and his parents may be artistes??? it's unclear.

These ones? Eugene Traynor abt 1859 Ireland Head Liverpool Lancashire Francis Traynor abt 1887 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Liverpool Lancashire Mary Traynor abt 1890 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Liverpool Lancashire Sarah J Traynor abt 1860 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife Liverpool Lancashire errmm, no, he's a Grocer's assistant.

S'pose first names are out of the question Daniel? Liz x

Hi. I'm trying to locate a family mentioned in a newspaper report from 1891. Info is very limited but there is some. It says that the family is Mr and Mrs Traynor, who are likely to be from Liverpool. They has 2 children mentioned in the article, one aged 4 and another only a baby. Can anyone find a Traynor family in this area, with children of that age on the 1891? If so, it would be much appreciated.