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Hmm Harriet Swan Jeffreys is interesting- speshly as cannot find one that is more likely. Thankyou yet again. Rosi

Oh my G*D Rosi... what a world!!!!!!!!!! God Bless and good luck X

Lol Suzanne, I'd think I'd better disown Charles the prisoner in Winchester now! I don't want my grandfather to have been a lag! A shoe maker doesn't sound too nefarious though! Have just looked at the BMD's for Annie Elizabeth Morris - loads of them - well - at least 6 possibles/probables. Think I really need a Samuel Morris, Butcher in East London or maybe the Billericay area of Essex in the mid 1870's - which does seem a tall order! Thankyou so much for spending so much time on this. I really am grateful Rosi

Cant see Harriet or Edwin in the same place as Charles but found this Harriet in 1871: Harriet Swan Jefreys abt 1853 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Adopted Daughter St Leonard Shoreditch London Adopted by the Kemp family (wifes maiden name was Swan though so thought it was her child that the husband had adopted but when I checked the 1861 census bothe husband and wife where there and no Harriet???) Suzanne 1881: possible sighting of Charles? Charles Jefferies abt 1860 London, Middlesex, England Prisoner Winchester Hampshire unmarried - occupation Tipster. 1891: Chas Jeffries abt 1858 Chelsea, London, England Lodger Paddington London Harriett Jeffries abt 1854 Pancras, London, England Sister Paddington London (lodgers, brother and sister, both unmarried, Chas a housepainter and Harriet a dress maker) Dont think this is them though as there is a brother and sister on 1881 census that fits tihs couple) 1901: Charles Jeffries abt 1862 London, England Servant South Shoebury Essex single, barman.

Hi Suzanne, alas - not one that's of much use - for him - Wickford - and for her Runwell - which is very close. both in Essex.

Is there any address on marriage cert for their residence? might be worth having a look? Suzanne

Thanks Suzanne - again! Hmm. Annie Elizabeth is stil shrouded in mystery! don't immediately think any of them are her, in spite of the Butcher dad! But yes- well worth bearing in mind. Thankyou. Lady Lib - yes- its possible. Wonder what he was doing in Wales- and can a A be written as an H? Again - have my doubts about this one - but its a good maybe! Thankyou. Carrie. O dear - poor little lad! Praps it is him. Praps he's not such a poor little chap and he is at boarding school doing an apprenticeship! Would you mind seeing if his brother Edwin, as per the 1861 above, b 1858 is thereabouts too? Thankyou! With all this help I shall need another bottle (and some more Rollos) to express proper appreciation. :) Rosi

I Strongly think this is charles in 1871 Name: Chas Jefferies Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Inmate Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: N Civil Parish: Brentwood Ecclesiastical parish: >>>>>>>>>>>Brentwood St Thomas Town: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brentwood County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Occupation: View image Disability: View image Source information: RG10/1657 Registration district: Billericay Sub-registration district: Brentwood ED, institution, or vessel: >>>>>>>>Shoreditch Industrial School Folio: 101 Page: 2

Dont think its her but ill let you know anyway Any good for Annie Elizabeth: Hes the only Samuel Morris I can see that is a Butcher on the 1901 census (unless hes mistranscribed somewhere) 1881: >>>Eliza Ann Morris abt 1880 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Daughter Coventry St Michael Warwickshire Lucy Jane Morris abt 1877 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Daughter Coventry St Michael Warwickshire Rhoda Emma Morris abt 1868 Foleshill, Warwickshire, England Daughter Coventry St Michael Warwickshire Samuel Morris abt 1842 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Head Coventry St Michael Warwickshire Sarah Ann Morris abt 1844 Foleshill, Warwickshire, England Wife Coventry St Michael Warwickshire Walter James Morris abt 1871 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son Coventry St Michael Warwickshire Samuel is a Butcher 1891: Still Eliza Ann???? Arthur Morris abt 1884 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son St Michael and St John Warwickshire Eliza Ann Morris abt 1880 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Daughter St Michael and St John Warwickshire Lucy Jane Morris abt 1877 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Daughter St Michael and St John Warwickshire Samuel Morris abt 1845 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Head St Michael and St John Warwickshire Sarah Ann Morris abt 1846 Foleshill, Warwickshire, England Wife St Michael and St John Warwickshire Walter James Morris abt 1870 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son St Michael and St John Warwickshire 1901 Dont think its her???????? John Jones abt 1856 Aveley, Shropshire, England Boarder Coventry Warwickshire Arthur Morris abt 1884 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son Coventry Warwickshire Eliza Ann Morris abt 1880 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Daughter Coventry Warwickshire Lucy Jane Morris abt 1878 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Daughter Coventry Warwickshire Samuel Morris abt 1846 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Head Coventry Warwickshire Sarah Ann Morris abt 1848 Foleshill; Coventry, Warwickshire, England Wife Coventry Warwickshire and this looks like her marriage: Marriages Dec 1903 Morris Eliza Ann Coventry 6d 917 Suzanne

Could'nt see him in 1871 but..... Ive found this for a Charles H Jeffreys in 1881, he is single, occupation accountant; Image does read 'H' though... Charles H. Jeffreys Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Boarder Household: View other family members Family and neighbors: View neighbors Gender: Male Where Born: London, London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Swansea Town County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Source information: RG12/5361 Registration district: Swansea Sub registration district: Swansea ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Folio: 121 Page: 17 GSU Number: 1342292

Reggie and Suzanne, You are stars - thankyou both very much. You can share my two last Rollo's. That seems a bit mean -please have a glass, even a bottle, of the nicest Australian Red you can find- or of whatever else takes your fancy! Thanks again, Rosi

1851............. Harriett Jefferies abt 1829 Lynn, Norfolk, England Wife St Luke Old Street Middlesex View Record William Jefferies abt 1830 Hethersett, Norfolk, England Head St Luke Old Street Middlesex William is a Ladies' Shoemaker.......Journeyman Reg

Sorry cant see them in 1871... think Im getting tired.. Ill have to let others gete them for you. Suzanne

Looks possible??? 1861: Charles A Jefferis abt 1860 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Edwin Jefferis abt 1858 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Harriet Jefferis abt 1827 Lynn, Norfolk, England Wife Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Harriett I Jefferis abt 1853 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex William Jefferis abt 1830 Hethersett, Norfolk, England Head Shoreditch St Leonard Middlesex Name: Charles Alfred Jefferies Year of Registration: 1860 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 206 Ill see if I can follow this Charels. Suzanne William is a Shoemaker.

This birth reg'n MIGHT be your chap............. Name: Charles Alfred Jefferies Year of Registration: 1860 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Shoreditch County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 206 Reg

I have certificates showing: 1) The birth of Edward Harry Jefferies in 1905, Billericay, Essex, to Charles Alfred Jefferies, a timekeeper, and Annie Elizabeth, nee Morris. 2) The marriage of Charles Alfred Jefferies to Annie Elizabeth Morris. at the Parish Church in Wickford, Billericay, Essex in 1903 He was 42, a bachelor and a clerk - his father was William Paul Jefferies, (deceased) a shoemaker. She was 27, spinster and aughter of Samuel Morris , a butcher. The witnesses don't seem to be connected to the family - Herbert Charles Harvey and Hester Jones. The problem is I cannot find their families or any further info about them. I suspect they came from the Eastend, setttling in Wickford because of the advent of the railway - but ....... Any help greatly appreciated Rosi

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