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Hi please can someone look up John and Sarah Harrop for me. Sorry i have very little to go on. They married and lived in Hatfield in 1853 Yorkshire. I dont know their ages but i believe they were both born in Yorkshire. they had the following children. Ann born 1854 hatfield Mary born 1856 hatfield George born 1858 Hatfield John born 1860 Hatfield James born 1863 Hatfield william born 1868 Hatfield Sarah Hannah born 1865 Thanks for your help Jane

1861: Ann Harrap abt 1855 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Hatfield Yorkshire George Harrap abt 1858 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Son Hatfield Yorkshire John Harrap abt 1831 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Head Hatfield Yorkshire John Harrap abt 1860 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Son Hatfield Yorkshire Mary Harrap abt 1856 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Hatfield Yorkshire Sarah M Harrap abt 1832 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Wife Hatfield Yorkshire

1851: John Harrop abt 1831 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Servant Thorne Yorkshire (Unmarried)

Hi Liz Thanks very much for that information. The only trouble is I thought these children were with William and Ann (nee Harrop) Gray on the 1861 census in Hatfield. So who are the parents of the children staying with William and Ann? Thanks for your help Jane

You mean this family? (1861) Henry Gambles abt 1780 Manchester, Lancashire, England Lodger Stainforth Yorkshire Ann Gray abt 1809 Coniston, Yorkshire, England Wife Hatfield Yorkshire Sarah Gray abt 1843 Hatfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Hatfield Yorkshire William Gray abt 1807 Winterton, Lincolnshire, England Head Hatfield Yorkshire George Harrop abt 1857 Cawood, Yorkshire, England Stepson Hatfield Yorkshire Mary Harrop abt 1832 Hoober Robert, Yorkshire, England Visitor Hatfield Yorkshire Mary Ann Harrop abt 1855 Cawood, Yorkshire, England Daughter Hatfield Yorkshire Sarah Jane Harrop abt 1859 Daughter Hatfield Yorkshire

Hi Liz Yes Thats the one. I think that Sarah M and Mary could be the same person. Mary is visiting and the children are hers. Dont know where John is though. Thanks Jane

They could be Ann's prior to her marriage to William? Cawood is in a different RD to Hatfield - she would not give different places of birth to different enumerators on the same census surely. Liz

Also, Mary visiting in 1861 is unmarried. Liz

William Gray married Ann Harrop Ann Harrop was married before to John Harrop - so are the children their children? Her maiden name is Antcliffe. Pretty sure that's right (through familysearch.org). Found a birth to agree: Christening: 09 OCT 1808 Anston, Yorkshire Will collate the batch the numbers and records for you if you wish. Nicky.x.

In 1861, in the Gray household Mary Ann, George and Sarah Jane are listed as step children, but they are below Mary, so it is not clear if they are her step children or William Gray's step children. In 1871, Mary Ann and Sarah Jane are still with the Grays, but listed as Grandaughters. This would imply that they belong to Mary from 1861, but why were they listed as step-children?

NIcky Just to add to the confussion. Ann Harrop married William Gray abt 1833 So the children would be Grays not Harrops surely?? The first children were born Gray but after 1855 the following children were Harrops. William was still living with Ann so she cant have remarried. Puzzling or what. Thanks jane

Hi Nicky you could be right about ann Antcliff marrying John Harrop 1830. Unfortunately i cant find a death for John which causes a slight problem. He must have died between 1830 and 1833 as she Married William in 1833 Jane

Surely it's got to be Ann Antlciffe as there's a birth for her in the right birth year and in ANSTON! It's got to be her? Could they have got the marriage year for her marriage to William Gray muddled up? Nicky.x.

LDS has birth records for the step children in 1861. It has the parents as John and Sarah Harrap.? Have they got Sarah wrong? Could William and Ann have inherited someone elses children? According to LDS John and Sarah married in 1853 - and the children listed in 1861 have matching dates etc.. with LDS to John and Sarah. They're all born post 1853. Question is? Why are they with William and ANn? Have John and Ann actually divorced? Now I'm really confused! Nicky.x.

Nicky i think you are right in saying that they belong to John and Sarah. And yes why are they with William. Theres got to be a connection somewhere between the two Johns. If John and Ann Divorced why would she want anything to do with his other children. Will have to go back and study family search records again. all the best Jane

In 1871 Mary Ann and Sarah Jane are listed as Grandaughters to William and Ann Gray, which would imply one of their parents came from Ann's earlier marriage. Liz

Liz Your right The only child from Anns first marriage was Mary so are they her children.??? Another child appears in 1866 called Anne Harrop. Mary then marries George Milne in 1876 and Ann is still iving with them in 1881 and Ann is down as the daughter. so wa sMary being a naughty girl then????? Thanks for your help Jane

Just something else - I did find out than Jane Gray 1840 (daug of William and Ann) married a David Kirby 07/05/1865. So I guess the William listed in 1871 is theirs. Nicky.x.

Hi Nicky Thanks for that marriage. I hadn't got that information so i will update them now. I havent got hte other childrens marriages yet either. Thanks all the best Jane

No probs - your family has me flummoxed! Don't like to be beaten. SAt here trying to work it out and can't! Maybe thinking same as you that JOhn Harrop must be a son of Ann Antcliffe amd John Harrop. THey only appear to have one child Mary. There is a birth of a John Harrap 1830 to a Richard. Think Richard and John Harrap senior are cousins. John Harrap junior marries SArah Moore and their children live with William Gray and Ann. Maybe there was noone else for them to go and they took them on. Strange all the same. Hope you manage to work it all out. Regards, Nicky.