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Hi Nell That's a possibility, yes and the enumerator could have got it wrong. I'll have to re-check the 1861 census to see the ages etc on that one - I have the image at home (I'm at work at the moment) so I'll look later. I'm about to leave work to go home so I'll catch up with any further messages you wonderfully kind people may have left, later this evening. Many, many thanks Louise

1861 I see they are consistent in their ages, even if their children aren't consistent!: Lambeth Surrey George Hallett abt 1799 Breadport, Suffolk, Head Betsey Hallett abt 1811 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, Wife John Hallett abt 1804[!]* Lambeth, Surrey, Son George G Hallett abt 1838 Lambeth, Surrey, Son Maria Hallett abt 1848 Lambeth, Surrey, Daughter *image says age 17 so he would be born abt 1844

Hi Kate Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. Regards Louise

Louise I've just looked at the original images for 1851 - it says Elizabeth was 52 and Maria 2. Are you sure this is right? 50 is getting on a bit, even in those days, to be giving birth. Is it possible that these are in fact grandparents and John is with his parents elsewhere? nell

Louise - there is an index / transcription of the 1841 census for London on 'The Genealogist' website http://thegenealogist.sandn.net/ I think you can subscribe to one particular county and year for about £5, or there are various other subscriptions available. Kate.

Thaks Nell But where is John???? I know he existed in 1851 because he got married in 1866. Could he have been an apprentice somewhere, I wonder ? He is listed as a boilermaker in 1861 (aged 17?) so he could possibly have been away somewhre else. Sorry - thinking as I'm typing! Thanks for all your help. Regards Louise

Hi Reg Unfortunately that's not his family although there may be a connection but I haven't been able to establish one so far. I think I will have to wait until the 1841 census for Lambeth is available in order to clear this up, as you suggested. Thanks Regards Louise

Got them now - only one t Lambeth Surrey George Hallet abt 1794 Romford, Essex, England Head Elizabeth Hallet abt 1799 Bury, Suffolk, Wife George Hallet abt 1844 Lambeth, Surrey, Son Louisa Hallet abt 1846 Lambeth, Surrey,Daughter Maria Hallet abt 1849 Lambeth, Surrey, Daughter nell

Can't see your lot on 1851 at all! nell

Hi Rose Thanks. That may be him, I'll have to check it out when I've recovered from my Christmas spending and can afford to order some birth certificates! Many thanks. Louise

Hi Helen Thanks very much. Unfortunately that's not him as his parents were George and Betsey, but thanks for trying.

But this family on 1851 doesn't look like the one you have: Lambeth Surrey Samuel Hallett abt 1800 Hammersmith Head Ann Hallett abt 1815 Portland, Dorset, Wife Ann Hallett abt 1835 Lambeth Daughter Samuel Hallett abt 1836 Lambeth Son >>>John Hallett abt 1838 Lambeth Son William Hallett abt 1839 Lambeth Son Angelina Hallett abt 1841 Lambeth Daughter Henry Hallett abt 1843 Lambeth Son James Hallett abt 1844 Lambeth Son >>>George Hallett abt 1846 Lambeth Son Emily Hallett abt 1848 Lambeth Daughter Clara Hallett abt 1850 Lambeth Daughter nell

If these are the right parents, here is the marriage record: SAMUEL HALLATT Marriages: Spouse: ANN ANGEL Family Marriage: 27 JUN 1832 Saint Saviour, Southwark, Surrey, England Batch M055181 1832 - 1835

IGI has these baptisms to parents Samuel Hallett & Ann Angel: International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 7 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. Angelina Hallett - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1841 Lambeth, Surrey, England 2. Clara Hallett - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1850 Lambeth, Surrey, England 3. Emily Hallett - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1848 Lambeth, Surrey, England 4. John Hallett - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1838 Lambeth, Surrey, England 5. William Hallett - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1839 Lambeth, Surrey, England 6. James Hallett - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1844 Lambeth, Surrey, England 7. George Hallett - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1846 Lambeth, Surrey, England nell

Here's John with same parents: John Hallett Male Event(s): Birth: 1838 Lambeth, Surrey, England Parents: Father: Samuel Hallett Family Mother: Ann Angel nell

Is this the right one? John Hallett Event(s): Birth: 1838 Lambeth, Surrey, England Parents: Father: Samuel Hallett Mother: Ann Angel This is an unverified entry on the IGI Reg

Thanks Reg. The bit about witnesses clears up a couple of other puzzles I've had. Thanks Louise

There's a record for a John Henry Hallett born Sept Qtr 1838 in Lambeth. Might that be him? Also found George Hallett born March Qtr 1846 in Lambeth. Do you think the enumerator switched their ages on the census by mistake? Rose

hi Louise The 1841 census is probably your next port of call. Incidentally, witnesses did not have to be 21. Reg

My gt gt grandfather, John HALLETT was born between 1838 and 1846 in Lambeth Surrey. He has a brother George with the same date range for his birth. On the 1851 census John is not shown but George is (along with 2 sisters, Louisa and Maria); on 1861 census both John and George are shown with George having dob c. 1838 and John dob c. 1845 (only one sister Maria, no sign of Louisa). I have John's marriage certificate from 1866 showing age as 'full' so he must be at least 21 in 1866 giving dob prior to 1845. George and Maria are his witnesses so presumably George has to be over 21 as well? I have searched some of 1837 and freebmd and ancestry but can't find any record of either John or George's births (I have found Maria's and Louisa's). All the children are listed as being born in Lambeth on all the censuses. Can anyone help with suggestions of where I can go from here to verify John's dob? Thank you.