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I am trying to locate my grandfathers birth and death. I know he married Elizabeth Florence Featherstone and they had two children, my father Edward Henry Charles Coutts born 11th March 1912 and Harold Coutts. If anyone has any information could they please let me know.

Have you tried searching on FreeBMD ? Its pretty good upto 1911. Elaine ;-) Have you got the marriage cert ? ...if so, it MAY give an indication of the age at marriage ....... so you have an idea when he was born.

Have you tried finding him on 1901 census? Do you know how old he was when he got married or where he was born? Do you have the marriage cert? As for his death, if he died between 1910 and 1984 I think you will have to look on family relatives or in the GRO indexes. nell

Two 'possibles' on 1901 census.......you will need the marriage cert to learn father's name and occupation ONE Edward Coutts abt 1847 Hoxton, London, England Head Shoreditch St Leonard London View Record Edward Coutts abt 1886 Hoxton, London, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard London View Record Eliza Coutts abt 1880 Hoxton, London, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard London View Record Elizabeth Coutts abt 1891 Hoxton, London, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard London View Record Rose E Coutts abt 1898 Hoxton, London, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard London View Record Sophia Coutts abt 1894 Hoxton, London, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard London TWO Annie Coutts abt 1859 Shropshire, England Head St Marylebone London View Record Edward Coutts abt 1886 London, England Son St Marylebone London View Record Harold Coutts abt 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son St Marylebone London Reg

Jeannette, Where was your Father born please ?? I'm having HUGE problems locating his birth record using Mothers Maiden name Featherstone ! I can't locate the MARRIAGE for the parents either ? Where were they living please ? Elaine ;-) If YOUR Dad was born in 1912 .... he certainly wasn't registered in 1912 ....... I've just checked ALL 1912 for his birth. Nor was his birth registered in 1911. Jeannette ......... where was your Dad born ?? Are we talking England / Wales or possibly SCOTLAND ?? COULD this be your fathers BIRTH entry ... ? Births Dec 1911 Coutts Henry C (Peat) Hackney 1b 643 Its the nearest I can find .... Henry Charles ??? Long shot I know.

MESSAGE from Jeannette: From : Jeannette Subject : Edard Coutts Thank you for your message. I have just spoken to my mother and she tells me that my father was born 11 March 1913. As far as I know he was born in Bethnal Green, London but I could be wrong as I understand my grandparents lived in Bloomsbury at one time. I am having great difficulty with finding too much information about my grandfather because as far as I know he died when my father was three years old. Once again thank you very much for your help on this, I am a mere amateur at the moment so I am learning how to go about searching. Hi Jeannette, Firstly sweetheart, always try and reply to the thread concerned, so that everyone is brought up todate with all the information. This way, everyone can try and help. x Next. You do NEED to get your Fathers birth cert. As I can not find any chilkdren born after 1912 with mothers Maiden name Featherstone ... so I think you do need to CONFIRM the information on who his parents were to start with. Since you believe he was born March 1913, then you need to check for his birth entry under March, June, Sept and then Dec qtrs of 1913 until you find his entry. IF your looking for Mothers Maiden Name being 'Featherstone@ then consider OTHER entries. The information you have been given MAY be WRONG ... which would account for the fact that I can't find a marriage of the parents OR your Dad's birth. Since you have already registered and searched 1837online ... then stick with 1837online. I imagine that you have got some credit left with them anyway. If you beleve that your Grandfather died when your dad was approx 3 ... then AFTER you have received the birth cert for your Dad (and confirmed his Fathers name) ... then start looking for a death for your Grandad 1916, 1917 & 1918 ... until you can confirm that peice of information. Keep us up dated with your progress Jeannette. Elaine ;-) Here you go Jeannette: Births Name: Edward H C Coutts Date Registered: June 1913 District: Bethnal Green GRO Referenece No: (Vol) 1c, (Page) 207 Mothers Maiden name: Lightfoot Send for the birth certificate using the above information. Your Dad wasn't registered straight away, which means his birth entry ended up in the next qtr. He could STILL have been born March 11th ... so don't worry about that. This says a lot !! Marriages Marriage Registered: Sept 1911 Groom: Coutts Edward Bride: Lightfoot Florence M L District: Bethnal G. GRO Ref No: (Vol) 1c, (Page) 362 Get this marriage cert at the same time as your Dad's birth cert ....the marriage cert MIGHT give the AGES of the Bride and Groom !!.....so then you can find them on the 1901 census with (hopefully) their parents .

This COULD be Florence before marriage ?? 1901 census: Jno Geo Lightfoot abt 1848 Islington, London, England Head Streatham London Florence E Lightfoot abt 1857 Kennington, London, England Wife Streatham London **Florence M Lightfoot abt 1878 Streatham, London, England Daughter Streatham London** John C Lightfoot abt 1879 Streatham, London, England Son Streatham London Edward A Lightfoot abt 1882 Streatham, London, England Son Streatham London Sidney H Lightfoot abt 1882 Streatham, London, England Son Streatham London Edith C Lightfoot abt 1886 Streatham, London, England Daughter Streatham London Arthur C Lightfoot abt 1890 Streatham, London, England Son Streatham London Francis B Lightfoot abt 1891 Streatham, London, England Son Streatham London Elaine ;-)

Hello Elaine, I hope I have done this correctly

Brilliant Jeannette ..... welcome on board !! Elaine ;-)

Hopefully I will eventually get the hang of it. If I have anymore trouble I will certainly get back to you. Thank you so much for your help and I will certainly keep in touch through genes. Jeannette (although everybody calls me Linda).

Hello again Elaine. I have managed to find my dad's birth certificate but unfortunately it does not give his parents names only his date of birth and date registered. How can I get the full certificate do I have to go to the records office? Jeannette

Hi Linda, There are a few ways of ordering the certificates. The cheapest way, is by contacting the Registry Office at which the event was registered ( in YOUR case, Bethnal Green ) You will get a Hand Written copy of the entry and it should cost you approx £4. Beware though. Since these certs are transcriptions of the origional, then you MUST allow for the odd mistake. Secondly. The quickest and easiest (for some) is to order ONLINE, using a Bank card (Debit or Credit). This cost (if done online), is £7. You order from the GRO in Liverpool. However, you can ALSO phone them OR write to them and this will cost you £8.50 for each certificate. Obviously, if ordering by post, you have to take account of possible delays because of postage ... certainly at this time of year ! Here is the website addy for the GRO online: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates You will have to register with the site ... but then just pay in advance for the cert. MAKE sure (if you order online, that you check the 'IS GRO Reference known? ' YES. If you order direct from the Liverpool GRO, then you get a PHOTOcopied cert from the origional entry ...with warts an all !! but it is a PERFECT COPY. Good luck Elaine ;-) *See Margarets reply below*

Elaine Certs from the local offices are £7 not £4. Margaret

Margaret, Is that the case for ALL local offices ?? ... and is it a recent change, as my friend ALWAYS orders from the local offices and only pays £4 !!! This is interesting !! Elaine ;-)

Elaine Always been £7. The only difference is that you do get a full refund if the info you supply doesnt tie in. A lot of the London offices wont supply now. Some are extremely slow. Liverpool and Nottingham take on average 6 weeks. Where on earth does your friend get them from for £4? Is that a full cert or a short one? Have a look on genuki, the info is on there. Margaret

Thanks for the info Margaret. I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong. Jeannette needs to know anyway ! I have just phoned my friend ... but no answer ! I'll let you know what she says !! Elaine ;-)

Thank you all for your help. I have also now found a baptism certificate for my father. It has where he was baptised and the date and also says Sponsorswith a name could this person be my grandmother?

Sponsors ..? Could these be what we now class as God Parents ?? Maybe ? My daughters Christening Cert has MY name on it as her Mother ... and also the names of four God Parents, but this is the only comparison I personally can make. Hopefully someone else may be able to help ? Elaine ;-)

Hello Elaine I thought I would let you know what progress I am making. My son went to Records Office in London and found my father's birth, it turns out that it was the one that you told me about his mother's maiden name was Lightfoot, he is going back tomorrow to see if he can find the marriage, which I think must be the one that you found and hopefully from that he can get my grandfather's birth. Thank you once again for your help it has been greatly appreciated. Linda