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It looks as though the 1870 Sep Q marriage is to either Mark Beaumont or Robert Cox. Have checked 1837 for Martin married in that quarter and there are none in Bethnal Green. There is an Ellen Cox/possibly Thomas Martin marriage in Uckfiels Sep Q 1876 Uckfield 2b 194 Peter

I found this possible on LDS, William Martin Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 1876 Sands End, Fulham, London, England Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: William Martin Family Mother: Ellen Have found these in 1891, It does not appear to be the correct one! Pat

Ok guys i'm going to leave it for now. Without proper facts then i'll never solve this. When i get time and a debit card (silly bank wont give me one) i'll get some certs then i'll be back. Thats a warning ;-) Thanks for all the help Lady Liberty and Pat. Mhairi

I think that you may need to order that marriage certificate. At least then you will know if it is definatley her, Plus you will know who she married. Another theory, Maybe she married in 1870 (not to a Matin) He then died before 1876 (when WE Martin is born). She then marries a Martin and has W E Martin after. That would explain why you can find no marriage for her to a Martin. She would be on the 1871 in her first married name. Pat

Yeah why not, will help me narrow things down. Thanks Mhairi

Have found a Ellen Martin 1857 Sheffield, in 1891, husband Patrick, living Lancashire, but there are step children surname Connor. Do you want the details??? Head is a Plate Railway Labourer! Address: 70, Suddell street manchester Lancashire. Martin, Ellen abt 1857 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Manchester Lancashire Martin, Patrick abt 1855 Ireland Head Manchester Lancashire Connor, Clara abt 1879 Manchester, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Manchester Lancashire Connor, Mary Ellen abt 1875 Manchester, Lancashire, England Stepdaughter Manchester Lancashire Martin, Ann Jane abt 1886 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire Martin, Gertrude abt 1884 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire RG12/3243 Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 19 Page: 31 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098353 ***************************************** Mhairi Im going through 1891 looking for WE Martins, I will add those that are possibilities as I find them! heres one: he is a Labourer in sweet meat! Martin, Ernest W Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where Born: St Pancras, London Birth Country: England Civil parish: Tottenham Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Middlesex Source information: RG12/1078 Registration district: Edmonton Sub registration district: Tottenham ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Folio: 37 Page: 17 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6096188 ************************************ Here is another: Harry is a Widower. Occupation Hall Porter! Address: 51 Union Road. Martin, Albert J abt 1882 Lambeth, London, England Son Newington London Martin, Caroline H abt 1875 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Newington London Martin, Elizabeth abt 1884 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Newington London Martin, Harry abt 1847 Bath, Somerset, England Head Newington London Martin, Harry G abt 1872 Lambeth, London, England Son Newington London Martin, Isabella abt 1879 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Newington London >>>Martin, William E abt 1878 Lambeth, London, England Son Newington London RG12/352 Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: Trinity Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 48 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095462

What or who i really need to find is W E. How many W Martins are in the 1891 census Liberty? and are any of them born in London? Thanks Mhairi Update Its not my Ellen with the Joseph. Have found that family in the 1881 while my Ellen was with her own family in 1881.

Here is the same family in 1891: Head is a Joiners Tool Forger! Address, number difficult to make out, looks like 144, Robertshaw road. Martin, Eliza A abt 1883 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sheffield Yorkshire Martin, Ellen abt 1858 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Sheffield Yorkshire Martin, Hannah E abt 1881 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sheffield Yorkshire Martin, Joe W abt 1886 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Sheffield Yorkshire Martin, Joseph abt 1852 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head Sheffield Yorkshire Martin, Mary E abt 1890 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sheffield Yorkshire Martin, Nellie abt 1886 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sheffield Yorkshire Source information: RG12/3821 Registration district: Sheffield Sub registration district: North Sheffield ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Folio: 69 Page: 26 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6098931

Both possibles, can someone find the Joseph/Ellen family in 1891 so that i can either rule it in or out? And no i have no info on an other children she might have had. What you see above is it. Mhairi

Mhairi, Im posting this to prevent duplication, the following was found on the 18th Sept: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added by June Lewis on 18/09/2005 21:42:01 1901 census Doris Martin abt 1898 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Nether Hallam Yorkshire Ellen Martin abt 1858 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Wife Nether Hallam Yorkshire Ethel Martin abt 1890 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Nether Hallam Yorkshire Jessy Martin abt 1895 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Nether Hallam Yorkshire Joe Martin abt 1884 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Son Nether Hallam Yorkshire Joseph Martin abt 1852 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Head Nether Hallam Yorkshire Nelly Martin abt 1886 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Nether Hallam Yorkshire could this be ellen but age out June -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added by Christine Hook on 18/09/2005 21:47:04 There is this death, although age is a bit out Name: MARTIN, Ellen Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 28 Quarter: June Year: 1884 District: Sheffield County: South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire Volume: 9c Page: 243 Lib:))

Do you have any other children for her? Pat

I know Pat, i 've even been thru the images. There must be another marriage. I'll go and take a look Mhairi

There is no one with the surname Martin, listed on ancestry as married in Bethnal Green, that quarter. Pat

Pat - i have her parents on all the census's and her brothers and sisters, she's the only one being diffiecult And the 1870 marriage is hers(well i think its hers), sorry made a mistake with that, on Free BMD the number is different. Mhairi

Hi, I have found her parents in 1871, she is not with them. Did you have that already? Pat

Hi , Had a look on familyrelatives and found one entry for a marriage Ellen Hollinsworth but it was in 1870 at Bethnal Green ,vol 1c page 580 Sept quarter... Joyce

I am trying to track down Ellen Martin (ms Hollinsworth) and her son W E Martin. Ellen was born in Sheffield in 1853 to parents Henry and Eliza Hollinsworth. She appears with them in the 1861 census in Sheffield. I have a possible marriage for her in 1871 (after the census) but the other names have not been transribed and the number is hard to read. I do not have a record of where she was in the 1871 census. I know that she married a Martin as she appears with her family in the 1881 census, in Sheffield with a 5 year old son. W E Martin c1876 born in London. I have no idea what the W E stands for, why the enumerator didnt just put down his first name i have no idea, it would make things easier. After 1881 they disappear again. I have asked before for this and i thank anyone who has already tried but i am no further on with finding her or her son. Mhairi

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