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Yes - that's what I meant, sorry! Look for John (father of the 4yr old) on 1841 Karen

Yes good idea! will ask Cheers Lynn x Ps if he was 4 in 1851, he wouldn't exist on the 1841. Unless, I've misunderstood what you meant. If there is an 1841 census, I know he didn't marry till 1846, so I would be looking for John b1823 with father John, miner.

that's good news! As his oldest son was 4 in 1851 you can hope he wasn't married and was still at home in 1841. Some areas do have 1841 available on disc so its worth asking. Or better still do a search on the records board for Staffordshire 1841 and see if anyone is offering lookups, if not ask if anyone has it. Failing which most local history centres have the census there. Karen

Contacted Jacqueline From Staffs and she has the 1851 staffs census. She found a match! john wooton head marr 28 miner wolstanton elizabeth wooton wife 24 w/stanton joseph wooton son 4 at home w/stanton anice? wooton daug 10 mth w/stanton john breeze lodger 17 collier sandbach 5 yew tree house goldenhill. Lynn

I think that must be the right christening. Did you find it off the familysearch website? Lynn

Hi Karen and Tracey. Much gratitude for your help. This is definately the right family. I think the early comment about needing earlier census is probably right. As I understand it the earliest is 1851. Is this true? I would need an 1841 to find information out. Does this exist? Cheers Lynn

This could be Elizabeth Woodward's christening? BESSEY WOODWARD Female --------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 11 FEB 1827 Newchapel, Stafford, England Death: Burial: ------------------------------------- Parents: Father: DANIEL WOODWARD Family Mother: MARY Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

I notice Tracey found your man on 1861 & 1891, which doesn't add up with the John I found so that is probably a red herring. To clarify I am Posting census results here for ease - what I understand you are looking for in John born 1823 with his father John - in which case you need earlier census returns. Karen 1881 Elizabeth Wootton abt 1827 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Wife 22 High St New Inn, Wolstanton - Oldcott, Staffordshire, England Elizabeth Wootton abt 1863 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Daughter 22 High St New Inn, Wolstanton - Oldcott, Staffordshire, England George Hy. Wootton abt 1869 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Son 22 High St New Inn, Wolstanton - Oldcott, Staffordshire, England John Wootton abt 1823 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Head 22 High St New Inn, Wolstanton - Oldcott, Staffordshire, England Mary Wootton abt 1872 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Daughter 22 High St New Inn, Wolstanton - Oldcott, Staffordshire, England Sarah A. Wootton abt 1865 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Daughter 22 High St New Inn, Wolstanton - Oldcott, Staffordshire, England 1871 Anna Maria Wooton abt 1851 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Daughter Oldcott Staffordshire Elizabeth Wooton abt 1827 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Wife Oldcott Staffordshire Elizabeth Wooton abt 1863 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Daughter Oldcott Staffordshire George Henry Wooton abt 1869 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Son Oldcott Staffordshire James Wooton abt 1860 Goldenhill, Staffordshire, England Son Oldcott Staffordshire John Wooton abt 1823 Kidsgrove, Staffordshire, England Head Oldcott Staffordshire 1861 Ann Maria Worton abt 1851 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Oldcott Staffordshire Annis Worton abt 1849 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Oldcott Staffordshire Elizabeth Worton abt 1824 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Wife Oldcott Staffordshire James Worton abt 1859 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Son Oldcott Staffordshire John Worton abt 1823 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Head Oldcott Staffordshire John Worton abt 1857 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Son Oldcott Staffordshire Joseph Worton abt 1847 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Son Oldcott Staffordshire Marianne Worton abt 1853 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Oldcott Staffordshire Thomas Worton abt 1861 Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England Son Oldcott Staffordshire

Yes, you're right. I shouldn't give up but I don't know how to verify I have the right family. I can't check marriage or birth certs because it is before 1837. Does it mean I have togo staffordshire record office to find a parish record? Thanks for your support Lynn x

Don't give up! Why not have a look at the John Wooton I found living with his son, and see if you sort out a connection. Highly possible this is your John snr. You may never find him living with his son John - that would be too easy! Karen

I think it is proving too difficult to fing John Wooton senior. Or am I giving up to quickly?

Gosh, I don't know what other sons he had apart from John. So I'm trying to find John Wootton living with another John wootton, probably in staffs. Then i can look at the later census records John junior was a Grocer and beer seller. i don't know if it was a family business? Will keep trying Lynn

Hi Lynn On 1891 I found John Wooton a widower aged 68, working as a market cleaner. He was living with his son, Charles Wooton and family. Charles, Ben & Samuel were coal minors. 2 doors up was another Wooton family which may be connected, Jesse and Ben were also coal minors in that family. Wooton, Charles T abt 1841 Quary Bank, Staffordshire, England Head Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Sarah abt 1843 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Wife Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Benjamin abt 1872 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Son Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Mary Ann abt 1873 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Samuel abt 1876 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Son Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, John abt 1823 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Father Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Jessie abt 1845 Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, England Head Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Jane abt 1851 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Wife Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Benjamin abt 1865 Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, England Son Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Alice abt 1878 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Jessie abt 1880 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Son Kingswinford Staffordshire Wooton, Maryann abt 1886 Brockmoor, Staffordshire, England Daughter Kingswinford Staffordshire Karen

Hi Lynn, Just read your thread again. The witness was William. Will have another look for John as father. I thought it was too easy !! Regards Vera

thanks for looking. I'm not sure really as John's father was called John not William. Unless it was a second marriage?Will check it out Cheers Lynn

Hi Lynn, 1861 census 24, Brook Street Bilston William Wooton 56 stone miner born Bilston Mary Wooton Wife 56 born Bilston John Wooton son 21 stone miner born bilston Mary Ann Wooton 16 born Bilston Regards Vera

Found John Wooton on 1871 and 1881 census (Rg10/2843. and RG11/2708 respectively) Need help with 1861, 1891 and 1901. the information i have is: JOHN WOOTON, b1823 in Kidsgrove, Staffordshire. He was a miner and Married Elizabeth WOODWARD in 1846, Tunstall, Staffs He resided at the New Inn, Hight Street, Oldcott, Staffs at the time of marriage His father was also called JOHN WOOTEN, a miner. This information is gained from his marriage certificate of the above. There is also a witness named WILLIAM WOOTON Also looking for information on Elizabeth Woodward. b 1827 in kidsgrove, staffs. Also risiding in Oldcott at the time of mariage. Her father was called Daniel, a miner. That's all folks! Any help much appreciated Thanks Lynn