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Thanks Jools, Sorry I didn't get straight back to you but couldn't get on computer for work/hubby. I suppose I have to let him have a go sometimes! I will note all your info and investigate. However the son (my grtgrandfather)is Thomas so the family from Clifton don't look promising. It is Thomas who I am most interested in at the moment. I thought being about 9/10 and knowing the parents names he should be easy to find on 1871 census but this obviously isn't the case. Would never have thought to look at 'Doctor' though - amazing. I did try and google Appletown/Appleton and saw that there were a few possibilities in Yorks area. Helps alot doesn't it! If I have any joy with your info I will let you know on this thread. Thanks again Stella

There IS a William on the 1871 which could be him - mistranscribed as DOCTER !!!!!!!!! It does however put a fly in the ointment as far as the wife being Hannah. I've checked the image and it is Proctor. Alfred Docter 5 Huntington, Yorkshire, England Son Clifton Yorkshire Ann E Docter 3 York, Yorkshire, England Daughter Clifton Yorkshire Frances Docter 27 Acomb, Yorkshire, England Wife Clifton Yorkshire Walter Docter 2 months York, Yorkshire, England Son Clifton Yorkshire William Docter 37 Appleton; Roebuck, Yorkshire, England Head Clifton Yorkshire William Docter 8 Earswick, Yorkshire, England Son Clifton Yorkshire Source information: RG10/4743 Registration district: York Sub-registration district: Bootham ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 97 Page: 29 I reckon this is the same family in 1881 William PROCTER Head M Male 49 Appleton Roebuck, York, England Gas Stoker Fanny PROCTER Wife M Female 38 Acomb, York, England Alfred PROCTER Son U Male 15 Huntington, York, England Messenger Ann E. PROCTER Daur Female 14 York, York, England Walter PROCTER Son Male 10 York, York, England Scholar Ada PROCTER Daur Female 8 York, York, England Scholar Source Information: Dwelling 3 Silver St Census Place Clifton In York, York, England Family History Library Film 1342140 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4716 / 108 Page Number 30 I'm beginning to think that Hannah and Fanny are 1 and the same.

Possibly Father William in 1851 ho107/2354 f394 Living Rufforth Grange, Rufforth William PROCTOR servant single 18 farm labourer, yorks, appleton Same chap in 1861 rg9/3544 f17 Living West Huntington. William PROCTER servant single 27 carter, appleton roebuck There are quite a few proctors (and only 2 procters) born appleton on the york area 1851 census. This looks to be the main family ho107/2352 f26 Living Appleton Roebuck, no street/house number and all born Appleton Roebuck unless otherwise stated George PROCTOR head married 43 ag lab Christiana do wife 43 acaster malbis Mary A do daughter 20 employed at home Isabella do daughter 14 scholar Jane do daughter 11 Eliza do daughter 7 Francis do daughter 4 Emma do daughter 1 with the next family on the page being Jane PROCTOR head widow 74 pauper Sarah do daughter 30 charwoman George do grandson 11 scholar Mary BROWN sister widow 81 ag labs widow There is also a Sarah Proctor in service ho107/2354 f294 43 Skeldergate, York Sarah PROCTOR servant single 15 house servant, appleton roebuck

Stella - the Appleton near York is very possibly what is now called Appleton Roebuck

Zoe - thank you for your time and efforts on my behalf. Might do some googling about Appleton and see if I can come up with anything useful. Will also get Thomas's birth cert and hopefully it might give a more detailed address. Can't be too dispondant as only got his papers today - and suppose succeses wouldn't mean so much if they came easy! Good luck in your own searches Stella

Ok, the only ones not in a house in 1881 is... Thomas Proctor abt 1861 Pateley, Yorkshire, England Unknown vessels Nottingham (pvte) Also, bear in mind, he may have lied about his age to sign up. This gives two possibles in 1871.. Thomas Procter 8 Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire, England Son Shipley Yorkshire Thos Procter 9 Beverley, Yorkshire, England Son Bewerley Yorkshire The 2nd is the first one I gave you, and the first is this.. Mirian(??) Procter 32 Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire, England Head Shipley Yorkshire Elizabeth Procter 29 Ivybridge, Devon, England Wife Shipley Yorkshire Frank Procter 6 Shipley, Yorkshire, England Son Shipley Yorkshire Thomas Procter 8 Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire, England Son Shipley Yorkshire

Tracey - I only have Thomas's army papers which is where I am getting my info from. Therefore as yet I don't have his birth cert nor any idea of siblings. Otherwise the info I have is from his later life. He joined up in July 1880 so would be on 1881 census as in barracks or whatever. Don't know about his parents though. They should be on 1881 census and from the info I have I would expect them to be in Appleton as thats where his father was shown as living on next of kin details. I would have expected the family to show up on Yorks census somewhere but I don't know the area at all to be of any help. I will be getting his birth cert when I can narrow it down which may give a more definate address to follow up. Thanks for your interest and good luck in your own searches. Stella

okay - I've looked under Thoms Proct* and Henry Proct* born Yorkshie 1861+/- years theres only one with a father called William and his mothers not a hannah I'm also getting nothing for Proct* born Appleton I'm out of ideas Zoe

Just a thought - do you have him in 1881? When was he in the army?

Just a thought incase they moved out of the area in 1871 which would be just my luck - are William and Hannah Proctor on 1861 census for area? Of course can only guess at their ages being about 20 - 30 at that time and depending exactly when Thomas born - he could be on there at a month or two old. Grabbing at straws but you never know! Hopefully Stella

ignore me - I just noticed william is the son not the husband back to head scratching

possibility: Ann Cowood 19 Chapel Town, Yorkshire, England Servant Dewsbury Yorkshire Anne Procter 11 Batley, Yorkshire, England Daughter Dewsbury Yorkshire Hannah Procter 50 Pudsey, Yorkshire, England Wife Dewsbury Yorkshire James Procter 16 Pudsey, Yorkshire, England Son Dewsbury Yorkshire John Procter 56 Pannal, Yorkshire, England Head Dewsbury Yorkshire Mary S Procter 9 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England Daughter Dewsbury Yorkshire Thomas Procter 15 Pudsey, Yorkshire, England Son Dewsbury Yorkshire William Procter 13 Batley, Yorkshire, England Son Dewsbury Yorkshire

Thanks anyway Zoe. His army records give his age as 19years and 3months as at July 1880 so think have got my maths right. Also his father is given as next of kin and shows his address as Appletown Yorks. Don't know the area at all so could be just a village. Also could the familly be shown as Procter rather than Proctor? Will have to try getting his birth cert using parents names as reference and work from there first. I thought they would be relatively easy to find on census. Thanks again for your efforts. Stella

no luck with mother or fathers names living in appleton trying to think of another way without knowing siblings names

Thanks for your quick reply Tracey but not hopeful! Definately William and Hannah as parents. Of course I will bear in mind their surname could be spelt Procter - just adds to the confusion doesn't it. Thanks again Stella

this is the only one born Yorkshire about the right age: James Proctor 15 Gomersal, Yorkshire, England Brother-in-law Liversedge Yorkshire Thomas Proctor 11 Heckmondwike, Yorkshire, England Brother-in-law Liversedge Yorkshire David Wharton 22 Heckmondwike, Yorkshire, England Head Liversedge Yorkshire James Wharton 8 months Heckmondwike, Yorkshire, England Son Liversedge Yorkshire Mary Wharton 22 Heckmondwike, Yorkshire, England Wife Liversedge Yorkshire Mary A Wharton 4 Heckmondwike, Yorkshire, England Daughter Liversedge Yorkshire checking under fathers name now

This is the closest I got... John E Procter 5 months Beverley, Yorkshire, England Son Bewerley Yorkshire Mary Procter 30 Beverley, Yorkshire, England Wife Bewerley Yorkshire Sarah J Procter 6 Beverley, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bewerley Yorkshire Thos Procter 9 Beverley, Yorkshire, England Son Bewerley Yorkshire William Procter 34 Beverley, Yorkshire, England Head Bewerley Yorkshire

Hi, Please could someone help me by finding the entry for my great grandfather on 1871 census? Thomas Henry Proctor - age 9 or 10 Father - William Proctor Mother - Hannah Proctor Siblings - ? His army papers show him as born in 'Appletown' near York, which I think might actually be Appleton. I know his father was still in Appleton when Thomas joined the army so assume that's where they were on 1871 census, but I don't have a street name unfortunately. Thank you in anticipation! Stella Timewell