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I been trying to trace my family for some time now (Clayton), and have hit some very odd blanks. Around 1895 to 1910, I cannot find any reference to the members I am searching for in either marrriage or birth. My great grandfather and great grandmother's marraige does not seem to exist, and the birth of my grand father and his brother and sister either. From what I do know, they did not leave the country, and all where born in the UK in london. I have traced up to the UK census 1881/1891/1901, and picked up the members in varius locations, so I do have an idea where they lived. (Deptford St Paul). FreeBMD has not been much help, and neither has any other source. Problem as I see it is the surname is very common, so it is easy not find what I am looking for as I am not 100% sure of the names. Any clues to break this blockage?

Have you also checked the GRO (which is supposed to be complete) for bmd - it is available at 1837online (pay to view) ot at large local library. Freebmd is far from complete.

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I have list of for 1903 for my grandfather, and I suspect there is an entry that might be his birth, but it is marked see S/28. Not actually knowing where they where born is making it difficult. I wish the 1911 census was around.

I have the following information George Clayton B:1872 married a Mabel Inez (unknown surname b:1875 D:1951). There were 3 children George Richard B:1903-D:1937, Mabel Born possibly around 1900-1901, and R.Ivan Clayton B:1904-1910. The R is unknowm, but was only known to family as Ivan. I do not know where they were living, except that George was a meat salesman according to the 1891 and 1901 census, and in the 1881 census was living in Deptford St Pauls.

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In 1901 the rest of the family are still living in Deptford St Paul. The address the brothers are staying at is an Inn on the edge of Smithfield meat market in London - as sellers/butchers it more than makes sense that they'd be on the doorstep of this market! It is likely that, since they were unmarried on this census, their home address would still be the family home in Deptford. S:>

1871 census - interesting info! This is the same family on the 1871 census - George is shown as 3 months old, meaning he was born Dec 1870 - early Jan 1871 (census taken 2 April 1871). Since you think your George is born in 1872, following up on this family may be the wrong route, unless you have links in to the other siblings! 1871 England Census Viewing records 1-7 of 7 matches « Global Search Results Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Arthur Clayton 4 Middlesex, England Son Islington St Michael London Charles Clayton 2 Middlesex, England Son Islington St Michael London Fanny Clayton 6 Middlesex, England Daughter Islington St Michael London George Clayton 42 Gloucestershire, England Head Islington St Michael London George Clayton 3 months Middlesex, England Son Islington St Michael London Lucy Clayton 42 Middlesex, England Wife Islington St Michael London Lucy Clayton 3 Middlesex, England Daughter Islington St Michael London View printer-friendly

You hit the nail on the head. The George Clayton that was visitor at the time of the 1901 census is my Great Grandfather. and the one I cannot find any marriage info. All I know was his wifes first names as Mabel Inez. What her maiden name was is anyones guess. Been unlucky on every site I have looked at sp far to trace their marriage. I am making some presumtions that they were married in England, but I know of no story to the contrary. I did find a Mabel Clayton aged 21 residing in Streatham and designated as wife. This would about tally as the Mabel Clayton I have died in 1951 age 71. So it is possible that it is her, but difficult to know. My grandfather a George Richard was born in 1903 and died 1937. I do have his death certificate, and know this for fact. However the other sibling remain a mystery. If we had access to the 1911 census, it would clear up much. Thanx to all who have responded so far. The pieces are falling together slowly.

I will add one thing, the ages are not accurate on these censuses, as I also ran the same route with the Kellers side of my family, and found much information, that varied with each census, but the names and people were accurate up to 1901 and beyond. Having many of the Kellers death, marriage and other certificates, made this side of the family easier to follow. The Clayton side dis-associate themselves from my father after his parents divorce in 1928, and my father has very little information about his family until the death of Mabel Inez Clayton D:1951 when the uncle R.Ivan Clayton appreared and that was the last of the contact.

Only other thing I can think of is that the birth certificate may show them with names opposite way round to death and marriage certs. I have an example of this with my Welsh family .... my g-grandfather's birth cert has him as George William but he appears on all censuses as William - this is because he was always called Will or Bill from being a young child, the same as his father. It took a long time to find any certs for him ... and his death cert was down as William, because the person reporting his death did not know that he had a different 1st name. Perhaps George Richard is down as Richard George on registration? I know it's a long shot, but not impossible! S:>

Rosemary, I picked that death notice up a few days ago, and bounced it off my parents. They said it was doubtful, as the Ivan Clayton we were looking for was about 50 years old in 1951. I was not aware that the census had the marital status of the visitor George. Must have another look at that. The other thread about reversal of names, was a good idea, and will chase that thread and see if that works. Thanx for the assistance. It all helps to unravel the puzzle.

The June Quarter 1903 birth entry for George R Clayton In West Ham is a handwritten footnote inserted in the index. It refers to an entry in the September quarter 1928 index for George R Clayton, mother's maiden name Farmer, W Ham 4a 419 At a guess George needed a birth certificate in 1928 and discovered that his birth, in 1903, had never been registered and a (very) late registration was made so that a certificate could be issued.

Thats very interesting. I wondered what that entry meant. In 1928 George divorced from my Grandmother, so it is possible, that that was required. It is worth a look. Thanx.

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From what I can see, it looks like Mabel Inez Clayton (Nee: Farmer) is my Great Grandmother, and the registration of George R Clayton seems to join up. The birth information is for 1880, which ties up with the photo I have of her tombstone D: 1951 aged 71. I found a marraige entry for Mabel I Farmer in 1910. Beginning to wonder whether this family had a problem with registering births and marraiges. The next option I now have is to order the certificates, and see what materializes. Some info that came to lite today, was that Mabel bequeathed her fortune to the Butchers Benevolent Fund in 1951, so there may be records of this with them, although I doubt it now. My next option is to get the will and see what it contains. ANy clues. I am in South Africa so getting to sites is difficult.

Glad the info was useful. If you want to apply for a copy of the will you can do that by post, you should write to The Postal Searches & Copies Dept, York Probate Sub-Registry, Castle Chambers, Clifford Street, York, YO1 9RG You need to provide as much info as possible: name of deceased, date (or approximate date) of death, age at death, address or at least place where deceased lived. The cost for a search is £5 (This covers the four year period from the date of death). There is a further search fee of £3 for each subsequent 4 year period searched. If a grant of probate is traced, the fee includes a copy of the Will and copy of the grant.

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Got some clues from my father as to why there was a late marriage document, and probably no record of births. IT appears that my Great Grandfather refused to get married until his then common law wife had produced children. That would explain a number of things. 1) No registration of birth 2) that Mabel got married in 1910 and the children were born around 1903 onwards. Interesting skeletons are being revealed.